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LaissezFaire
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One thing that is really annoying for me as an international client is that they don't provide a simple end-of-year statement showing my net P&L for the year.

Instead, I have to download all the monthly statements and compile it manually in Excel.

It's not the end of the world, but I can't understand why they can't create a yearly statement for me just like with a monthly statement.

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  #872 (permalink)
 Rob1982 
Syracuse, NY
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninjatrader8
Broker: NinjaTrader Brokerage
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The only problem I have had is with the last update. I have had very good luck with customer service solving any issues Ive had in the past.

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 torento 
Perth, Western Australia
 
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P.S. Check tomorrow's newsletter out...

Mike

Maybe a silly question but where can I find the newsletter? I seem to be unable to locate it.

Also when is it released so I can look out for it in the future?

Cheers

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 qsceszwasdx 
Taipei Taiwan
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: TV, SC, QT
Broker: Interactive Brokers & Taiwan local brokers & AMP Futures
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Big Mike View Post
I'm guessing he means IBKR or IB, InteractiveBrokers

Sent using the NexusFi mobile app

Oh~~that make sense, InterActiveBroker, so he said IAB.

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 friii 
austria
 
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Platform: TWS
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+ In which company did you rent your dedicated server & where is the server actually located exactly?

THX,



hyperscalper View Post
OK, well most traders would not entertain these suggestions. Most traders are sitting at their home offices, and thus a potentially huge amount of congesting Wide Area Network (WAN) traffic needs to flow from the market data source and exchange, to the trader's desk.

Firstly, traders are always "looking around" for the next instrument that might be more profitable, and often fail to specialize. Because they are considering, and are ready to trade, a range of instruments, that data has to travel to their desk.

Efficiency requires specialization, and that requires cutting down drastically on the number of market data feed elements needed to be watched/processed.

Most traders are looking for "high end" workstations to "crunch" all that data and manage many displays; and tend to neglect the WAN and ISP network facilities which are required to manage peak loading. How many times do you hear traders talk about "lag" ??? When "lag" is humanly perceivable; it's already huge.

If you are such a trader, and using NinjaTrader as your platform, you'll be running Windows, and you'll want to optimize your WAN networking as much as possible. This involves replacing the "stock" "congestion provider" (maybe it's CUBIC) for your Internet TCP with a much better one, currently named "CTCP" which handles WAN congestion more efficiently, thus improving overall throughput. (You can look up how to do that). Basically you want to tune your system as a Internet Gamer would want to do it, and there are guides for that.

But the key in our approach is to "Co-locate" the actual Dedicated Server and platform, NT8 NinjaTrader as physically close to the exchange as possible. This means for Futures traders, locating in Chicago or, at even higher cost, in Aurora itself so that your machine is very close to the data sources, and the orders portals if at all possible.

Choosing some degree of effective colocation means that the trading platform is very near, in network latencies, to the exchanges.

The role of your home office desktop thus becomes a "remote display" for all that is happening on your dedicated server. I say dedicated, because a cheaper virtual private server (aka VPS) is generally not good enough nor reliable enough.

A powerful data center server can be had for $150-$200 per month, on a self-managed basis. This could mean you'll need to learn how to be admin for your server, plus potentially creating 1 or 2 "virtual machines" in that same box; each of which could itself run an instance of NT8 NinjaTrader or your preferred platform; at no additional monthly cost. In my case, I get 3 "machines" for the price of one; since my monthly fee includes a license for 2 Hyper V VM instances as well.... very handy once you know how it works.

BUT LET'S FACE FACTS that very very few traders will choose this route, even if they understand potential advantages. They just don't have the specialist "mindset" to "take the plunge" into the world of very powerful datacenter based servers rather than the usual concept of "powerful desktop pc".

In my case, software on the server can take decisions when it "sees" a trigger opportunity; with a very short latency. That's gonna involve software features beyond the scope of this discussion; but obviously your latencies and the volumes of data you can process greatly increase when you choose to use a dedicated server.

Hope this helps; and Good Trading !
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 torento 
Perth, Western Australia
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, MultiCharts
Trading: Futures
Posts: 34 since Feb 2012
Thanks Given: 39
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Thought I'd add this here

NinjaTrader Brokerage CFTC Reporting + links lead to NT's Investment Holdings + Disclosure Statements etc

https://ninjatrader.com/customer-funds


CFTC Financial Data for Futures Commission Merchants

https://www.cftc.gov/MarketReports/financialfcmdata/index.htm

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 Rob1982 
Syracuse, NY
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninjatrader8
Broker: NinjaTrader Brokerage
Trading: Futures
Posts: 8 since Jan 2022
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Thanks

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 bobwest 
Western Florida
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torento View Post
Maybe a silly question but where can I find the newsletter? I seem to be unable to locate it.

Also when is it released so I can look out for it in the future?

Cheers

It was the mass email that was sent out telling people about this thread, sent out about the time when everything got very busy in the thread (and was the reason it did.)

It's not really a "newsletter", that's what this software calls it.

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 Joshua 1 vs 8 
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I have been a Ninja Trader user since 2008 Ninja version 6. I was able to weather the updates and crashes for a while and then the platform became "stable". However, the crashes are becoming more frequent again and in the past year unbearable, at least for me. With 6 monitors, their platform support had me believing my computer was the issue. So, I went out and bought the fastest gaming computer to no avail. My chart data continues to freeze. Of course, they say it's a third-party indicator issue. I got rid of years of indicators. They were of no use to me anyways. After years of trading, I went back to price action and very few indicators. My data is still freezing. It has become a mental issue that when I put on a trade will the charts freeze or not. Today I opened a TradeStation account! I have been putting this off because I really didn't want to go through the new platform learning curve. Today, this morning my data wasn't there. I had to log in and out of their "new" website platform several times. Platform support said that I didn't rollover my instruments??!!? ...After 15 years of Ninja, they sent me directions on how to rollover instruments. So, it looks like so long Ninja!

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 torento 
Perth, Western Australia
 
Experience: Advanced
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Trading: Futures
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hyperscalper View Post
OK, well most traders would not entertain these suggestions. Most traders are sitting at their home offices, and thus a potentially huge amount of congesting Wide Area Network (WAN) traffic needs to flow from the market data source and exchange, to the trader's desk.

Firstly, traders are always "looking around" for the next instrument that might be more profitable, and often fail to specialize. Because they are considering, and are ready to trade, a range of instruments, that data has to travel to their desk.

Efficiency requires specialization, and that requires cutting down drastically on the number of market data feed elements needed to be watched/processed.

Most traders are looking for "high end" workstations to "crunch" all that data and manage many displays; and tend to neglect the WAN and ISP network facilities which are required to manage peak loading. How many times do you hear traders talk about "lag" ??? When "lag" is humanly perceivable; it's already huge.

If you are such a trader, and using NinjaTrader as your platform, you'll be running Windows, and you'll want to optimize your WAN networking as much as possible. This involves replacing the "stock" "congestion provider" (maybe it's CUBIC) for your Internet TCP with a much better one, currently named "CTCP" which handles WAN congestion more efficiently, thus improving overall throughput. (You can look up how to do that). Basically you want to tune your system as a Internet Gamer would want to do it, and there are guides for that.

But the key in our approach is to "Co-locate" the actual Dedicated Server and platform, NT8 NinjaTrader as physically close to the exchange as possible. This means for Futures traders, locating in Chicago or, at even higher cost, in Aurora itself so that your machine is very close to the data sources, and the orders portals if at all possible.

Choosing some degree of effective colocation means that the trading platform is very near, in network latencies, to the exchanges.

The role of your home office desktop thus becomes a "remote display" for all that is happening on your dedicated server. I say dedicated, because a cheaper virtual private server (aka VPS) is generally not good enough nor reliable enough.

A powerful data center server can be had for $150-$200 per month, on a self-managed basis. This could mean you'll need to learn how to be admin for your server, plus potentially creating 1 or 2 "virtual machines" in that same box; each of which could itself run an instance of NT8 NinjaTrader or your preferred platform; at no additional monthly cost. In my case, I get 3 "machines" for the price of one; since my monthly fee includes a license for 2 Hyper V VM instances as well.... very handy once you know how it works.

BUT LET'S FACE FACTS that very very few traders will choose this route, even if they understand potential advantages. They just don't have the specialist "mindset" to "take the plunge" into the world of very powerful datacenter based servers rather than the usual concept of "powerful desktop pc".

In my case, software on the server can take decisions when it "sees" a trigger opportunity; with a very short latency. That's gonna involve software features beyond the scope of this discussion; but obviously your latencies and the volumes of data you can process greatly increase when you choose to use a dedicated server.

Hope this helps; and Good Trading !
hyperscalper

Hi @hyperscalper,

Thanks for the info again it's very helpful to myself and I guess a lot of others as well.


I recently built a new Intel 13 Gen med to high end system and am very interested to optimize as much as humanly possible and just had a couple of questions if you don't mind, any input you could provide would be very much appreciated!!!

With regards to optimizing our "home" networks are there any online guides as how to go about doing this in a way that you state in your post?
I have been unable to find any information of value so far, so if at all possible could you please assist in guiding us layman to a webpage or site which will assist us in optimizing our networks for optimal throughput.


I've been optimizing my system for gaming as recommended but would like to ask a couple of questions please.

Would you disable Nagle's Algorithm?

Would you turn on Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling?
I skimped a little on my GPU but no issues so far, I'm running 3 1440p monitors off of a RX 6700XT. with a fourth 1440p running off of the CPU doing fine so far

Again, really appreciate your input.

Best Regards,
Torento.

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