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What did everyone think of the webinar?

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While I do have reservations and wish they would reconsider restating brokers like Optimus. The webcast was good in that it helped me understand why they feel the need to go this direction.

"The day I became a winning trader was the day it became boring. Daily losses no longer bother me and daily wins no longer excited me. Took years of pain and busting a few accounts before finally got my mind right. I survived the darkness within and now just chillax and let my black box do the work."
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@NinjaTrader I do have a question in regard to the webinar. You mentioned eventually trying to move some NT operations to the cloud things like strat calculations etc.... I realize this may be a ways off. But is the plan to keep a version that will run stand alone on local machines. I ask because if co-locating I would want all processing to be done on that machine and not on NT servers as it would increase latency.

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What did everyone think of the webinar?

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I enjoyed it all my questions were answered. NT is not my primary platform for Futures, but it is for Forex. I think NT and it's staff have done a great job being open and straightforward about this acquisition and transition. In this day an age, they really stepped up to the plate to explain all of their thoughts and why this was done. They've used threads on here, webinars, and countless other methods to get the message out there. Most "Big Software Companies" and "Big Brokerages" would have just put out a press release that pretty much stated the facts and said take it or leave it.

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I guess that the release 8 version NT will be July 15 ;-)

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@NinjaTrader I do have a question in regard to the webinar. You mentioned eventually trying to move some NT operations to the cloud things like strat calculations etc.... I realize this may be a ways off. But is the plan to keep a version that will run stand alone on local machines. I ask because if co-locating I would want all processing to be done on that machine and not on NT servers as it would increase latency.

Anything that we move to the cloud would be for NinjaTrader Brokerage clients thus we will still need local implementation to support customers that use a different brokerage.

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I guess that the release 8 version NT will be July 15 ;-)

No, please watch the webinar as this was covered. Short answer, end of this quarter.

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Please keep this thread about brokerage.

A new thread on NT8 changes is here:


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Anything that we move to the cloud would be for NinjaTrader Brokerage clients thus we will still need local implementation to support customers that use a different brokerage.

@NinjaTrader will NT brokerage customers have ability to use cloud and local implementation?

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Hey Ninja,

Just a thought, maybe you can include a lease to own option for your software. Maybe the lease price difference goes towards you owning a full license. And you get a full license once you have paid enough in comission difference or you pay the remaining difference, and you get bumped down to the lower rate.

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I started my paper work to move to NT brokerage as I have a lifetime licence, I also plan to keep a secondary account with another broker which clears via vision. I will update once my account has been opened.

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Hey Ninja,

Just a thought, maybe you can include a lease to own option for your software. Maybe the lease price difference goes towards you owning a full license. And you get a full license once you have paid enough in comission difference or you pay the remaining difference, and you get bumped down to the lower rate.

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Thanks for the input. We do have a LifeTime license purchase plan by where you pay for it in 4 monthly installments.

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@NinjaTrader will NT brokerage customers have ability to use cloud and local implementation?

I truly don't want to get ahead of myself but...I suspect that the software will allow for local or server options.

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Thanks for the input. We do have a LifeTime license purchase plan by where you pay for it in 4 monthly installments.

Yes I know just thought it would be a plus if you could pay for it through higher commissions. You could even make it a bit more expensive If that option is chosen. Just a thought, I think it would attract even more customers.

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Are all LLCs and/or S Corps operating as a trading business or trading education business contrued by law as professional? If so, is this a CFTC ruling or an IRS ruling? If I recall correctly, former Mirus representative commented on the fact that not all LLCs and/or S Corps that have accounts with them are considered professional but non-professional.

Legally, wherein lies the distinction? Anyone operating a non-professional trading LLC/ S Corp?

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  • The BigTick development team is no longer with us
  • The CEO of Mirus’ parent company is no longer with us

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What has happened to Pat Shaughnessy?

Who was the CEO of Mirus parent, clearly it was not Eliot?

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ninjatrader, when will rthimic trader available with your brokerage?
And if those who doesnt have license, what's the rate?

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It's not nice to kick out thrustworthy reliable Brokers like Optimus and DDT which have made a huge efforts to let their customers smile and filled ninjatraders pockets thru new customers licenses. I hope that NinjaTrader could find an adult solution to bring them back to the NT family. It's good to have some more broker options, to spread risks. And personally i want a broker free unbound trading environment - like many others. Sadly AMP isn't a choice for me.

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I am not sure if they can keep certain brokers in their tight ecosystem why not add brokers such as Optimus and others who have worked hard to build your NT client base it is because of these hardworking brokers your platform has been successful plus , of course NT awesome support as well.

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A consideration, maybe a tiered Inactivity Fee. Seems high to pay $25/month because you didn't make a $4 round trip trade. Maybe this can be tiered by NT license as well:
- $25/month Not owned/leased
- $12/month Leased
- $4/month lifetime

Thanks, as a lifetime license holder, I will sometimes go into development mode for automated strategy and it hurts to pay $25/month for not making the $4 trade...

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A consideration, maybe a tiered Inactivity Fee. Seems high to pay $25/month because you didn't make a $4 round trip trade. Maybe this can be tiered by NT license as well:
- $25/month Not owned/leased
- $12/month Leased
- $4/month lifetime

Thanks, as a lifetime license holder, I will sometimes go into development mode for automated strategy and it hurts to pay $25/month for not making the $4 trade...

Just a note that my understanding of the inactivity fee is as follows:

- If you are actually truly inactive, meaning you do not log in or trade, then there is no inactivity fee
- If you are actively using the data and simply do not trade, there is an inactivity fee

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Just a note that my understanding of the inactivity fee is as follows:

- If you are actually truly inactive, meaning you do not log in or trade, then there is no inactivity fee
- If you are actively using the data and simply do not trade, there is an inactivity fee

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Thanks,

Unfortunately, while developing I would be in the latter group, paying the fee...

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Thanks,

Unfortunately, while developing I would be in the latter group, paying the fee...

You can avoid the fee by taking one trade a month. Pick a micro product and make a trade; even if you give up the spread you are down a tiny amount.

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ninjatrader, when will rthimic trader available with your brokerage?
And if those who doesnt have license, what's the rate?

I expect to have this available this next week or worst case, the week after. We will publish commission rates for Rithmic once it is finalized.

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Seems high to pay $25/month because you didn't make a $4 round trip trade.

I would think it's AWESOME that there is a place to get live unfiltered data for ONLY $25/mo.

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will the commissions \rates be the same $3.38 if you choose cqg or rithmic ? or will there be a price difference for NT licence holders.

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Account opening minimum is $1000. Lowest aggressive margins are at $500
At which minimum balance will the account be triggered inactive so that customers don't benefit from datafeed or Kinetick's Globex non-Pro waiver fees program (since it needs a monthly single connection to a live funded account at a "supported brokerage") ?

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will the commissions \rates be the same $3.38 if you choose cqg or rithmic ? or will there be a price difference for NT licence holders.

Rthmic rates are expected to be a bit higher but we are still working on final details (coming soon).

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Account opening minimum is $1000. Lowest aggressive margins are at $500
At which minimum balance will the account be triggered inactive so that customers don't benefit from datafeed or Kinetick's Globex non-Pro waiver fees program (since it needs a monthly single connection to a live funded account at a "supported brokerage") ?

NinjaTrader Brokerage accounts are typically set at inactive if they are under $300.

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@NT Brokerage - Are all LLCs and/or S Corps operating as a trading business or trading education business contrued by law as professional? If so, is this a CFTC ruling or an IRS ruling? If I recall correctly, former Mirus representative commented on the fact that not all LLCs and/or S Corps that have accounts with them are considered professional but non-professional.

Legally, wherein lies the distinction? Please look into operating a non-professional trading LLC/ S Corp?

Thanks,

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So what happens to folks who have already opened NT account and are given cqg as default, can they still change to rithmic once that data option is provided.

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So what happens to folks who have already opened NT account and are given cqg as default, can they still change to rithmic once that data option is provided.

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Current and new customers that are given CQG as default will have the choice to request a change to Rithmic once it is made available.

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@NT Brokerage - Are all LLCs and/or S Corps operating as a trading business or trading education business contrued by law as professional? If so, is this a CFTC ruling or an IRS ruling? If I recall correctly, former Mirus representative commented on the fact that not all LLCs and/or S Corps that have accounts with them are considered professional but non-professional.

Legally, wherein lies the distinction? Please look into operating a non-professional trading LLC/ S Corp?

Thanks,

Ken

The distinction is not necessarily an easy one to describe, so I have (tried to) attach the CME Market Data Non-Professional Certification form. This document was designed by CME for this very question.

My understanding is that if you have a LLC operating as a trading-related business, it would be viewed as a professional by CME. If you have a LLC that is setup for your own personal trading, that would fall under the Non-Professional status. Hope that helps.

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Are there any plan to cover the Asian exchanges like BMD, SGX, HKFE, KRX and TOCOM through FCM Dorman or through other FCMs with extensive regional Asian exchanges coverage?

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The distinction is not necessarily an easy one to describe, so I have (tried to) attach the CME Market Data Non-Professional Certification form. This document was designed by CME for this very question.

Your attachment worked, but due to a software bug any PDF with a transparent background is rendered as black on the thumbnail image. If you click the thumbnail the PDF still downloads correctly, but I have embedded the pages below to make it even easier.




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Are there any plan to cover the Asian exchanges like BMD, SGX, HKFE, KRX and TOCOM through FCM Dorman or through other FCMs with extensive regional Asian exchanges coverage?

NinjaTrader Brokerage is currently a Guaranteed IB to Dorman Trading and there is unlikely to be new exchange coverage by them. However, we understand the importance of having multiple FCM options and are working on plans to enable that, which could open up new exchanges for customers.

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Hi @NT Brokerage

What is the scoop on multiple log-ins? e.g. two or more separate log in credentials for my account...
Does NT Ecosystem offer this?
If so what is the fee associated?
Thanks in advance

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I have submitted my application to NT brokerage on July 3rd . I confirmed my lifetime license and received a confirmation email on the discounted rates. However I have not received confirmation relating to application processing or account number if my application is ok or if any action is required from my side.

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I know MBTrading and IB give access to the API, does Mirus give any way to interact with the API directly or do you have to go through NT.

I guess this would be a question for any of the programmers @BigMike @FatTails @traderdavidt

I'm with MB Now but they can't trade the TF so I'm in the mood to switch and the new NT Brokerage has some great rates for round trips and data it seems, I believe that is $25 for the full emini package right with only 1 trade minimum?

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Hi @NT Brokerage

What is the scoop on multiple log-ins? e.g. two or more separate log in credentials for my account...
Does NT Ecosystem offer this?
If so what is the fee associated?
Thanks in advance

Additional logins are available for $10 per month. Please email brokeragesupport@ninjatrader.com if you have questions about how to set this up for your account.

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I know MBTrading and IB give access to the API, does Mirus give any way to interact with the API directly or do you have to go through NT.

I guess this would be a question for any of the programmers @BigMike @FatTails @traderdavidt

I'm with MB Now but they can't trade the TF so I'm in the mood to switch and the new NT Brokerage has some great rates for round trips and data it seems, I believe that is $25 for the full emini package right with only 1 trade minimum?

-Chris

You must use the NinjaTrader API (NinjaScript) to programatticaly access NinjaTrader Brokerage.

To help clarify the costs, the NinjaTrader Brokerage roundturn rates include live data. The $25 fee applies only if you login and do not execute at least 1 contract during the month.

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To help clarify the costs, the NinjaTrader Brokerage roundturn rates include live data. The $25 fee applies only if you login and do not execute at least 1 contract during the month.

Does the round turn price include ICE/Eurex data ?

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Does the round turn price include ICE/Eurex data ?

You can find all rates on the following page.

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Can we get an IP adress to ping / traceroute Continuum servers in orders to check latency ?
Can we get the same for Kinetick as a comparison reference ? regarding live data, not execution, anyway
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Can we get an IP adress to ping / traceroute Continuum servers in orders to check latency ?
Can we get the same for Kinetick as a comparison reference ? regarding live data, not execution, anyway
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Actual connection status and speed depends on many variables but for a general gauge of latency to the CQG infrastructure you can ping:

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Can we get an IP adress to ping / traceroute Continuum servers in orders to check latency ?
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Actual connection status and speed depends on many variables but for a general gauge of latency to the CQG infrastructure you can ping:

cqginsfc003i.cqgrdnet.com

For Kinetick, you can use:

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Ray, is this a global DNS geography directory name entry? If not wouldn't it be highly dependent on the nearest POP?

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So you don't have a special gateway for european customers ? Do you know if Rithmic will offer one ?

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Can we get an IP adress to ping / traceroute Continuum servers in orders to check latency ?
Can we get the same for Kinetick as a comparison reference ? regarding live data, not execution, anyway
Thanks


This IP CQG gave me a few months ago when I tried out Continuum

208.48.16.200:2823

They told me this is their Chicago server. I currently use rithmic.

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Does the round turn price include ICE/Eurex data ?

The rates are publicly available here for all markets: All Available Contracts | NinjaTrader

The rates include all transactional exchange, clearing and Continuum data fees, however, there is an additional $23/month charged for Eurex data. This monthly Eurex charge will not be applicable for Rithmic users and will be available next week. There is no monthly fee for ICE data on either technology.

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Ray, is this a global DNS geography directory name entry? If not wouldn't it be highly dependent on the nearest POP?

Mike

This host resolves to CQG's data center in Chicago however, CQG does have POPs across the globe and my understanding (which I will double check on) is that as a user connects, it routes you to the lowest latency POP from your location.

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Thanks for your reply

So you don't have a special gateway for european customers ? Do you know if Rithmic will offer one ?

Currently, NinjaTrader connects to Rithmic's data center in Chicago however, we are discussing how to open up selection to European gateways in a subsequent NinjaTrader release.

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Howdy @NT Brokerage and @NinjaTrader
Just wanted to give a thanks publicly for what you are doing.
After the whole Zen/Mirus debacle nice to see you step up and take the reigns.
With your track record as a Platform developer and interactions with numerous brokers hopefully you guys will produce an awesome option for traders. Must say though hope you re-examine your partnerships with all of the brokers that gave/give and promoted you guys all of this time? From the surface it does seem they are getting a raw deal(obviously don't know the behind scenes stuff that goes on) Time will tell as always does
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I have submitted my application to NT brokerage on July 3rd . I confirmed my lifetime license and received a confirmation email on the discounted rates. However I have not received confirmation relating to application processing or account number if my application is ok or if any action is required from my side.

@NT Brokerage - you guys must be swamped with a deluge of applications; can you let applicants know if things are going smoothly or if some days would be needed for you to clear a backlog? Just some reassurance! And apologies for unsolicited advice!

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The problem I have faced so far is July 3rd I had sent my application, I had to call few times to NT to en quire about the status of my application. I did not receive a confirmation if my application is ok or any thing is required from my end until today,
earlier today ( July 9th) I did receive an email that need that they need my spouses ID. which I sent but heard nothing about any issues on account transfer., I called again today to check on account transfer and I was told I need to write the clearing firms name rather than Introducing brokers name on the account transfer form.


May be they received too many applications.

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@NT Brokerage - you guys must be swamped with a deluge of applications; can you let applicants know if things are going smoothly or if some days would be needed for you to clear a backlog? Just some reassurance! And apologies for unsolicited advice!

Yes, we are swamped with new account applications and that has created a backlog. Although I am happy and grateful to have such a problem I understand that a quick turnaround in opening an account is critical. As such, I have spoken with my team late this afternoon and they will add resources to the brokerage operations team responsible for the new account opening process first thing in the morning. I expect to have this backlog cleared by early next week.

I appreciate your patience and understanding.

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I don´t know if someone asks this already, but i would appreciate a short yes or no:

I have a single lifetime license with AMP and Rithmic as a data feed. Do i need a new license if i switch to NT brokerage?

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I don´t know if someone asks this already, but i would appreciate a short yes or no:

I have a single lifetime license with AMP and Rithmic as a data feed. Do i need a new license if i switch to NT brokerage?

No.

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Could you please indicate one Ip with numbers ? Need this format for loss monitoring and alerts. Thanks

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Could you please indicate one Ip with numbers ? Need this format for loss monitoring and alerts. Thanks

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I heard that NinjaTrader Platform users will no longer be able to open new accounts with brokers other than NinjaTrader Brokerage after the 15th of this month. If this is true, I hope that NinjaTrader reconsiders this decision. Personally I would prefer to be able to continue using NinjaTrader with any broker and my guess is that most traders would appreciate the same freedom as well. Even though I have an account with NinjaTrader Brokerage, today I applied for an account with Optimus Futures to make sure I meet the deadline. Based on my research, Optimus seems like a great broker with excellent customer service, solid technical support and competitive commissions. I wish NinjaTrader Brokerage the best and hope that they reach the same level of success that they have reached with their platform business.

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I heard that NinjaTrader Platform users will no longer be able to open new accounts with brokers other than NinjaTrader Brokerage after the 15th of this month. If this is true, I hope that NinjaTrader reconsiders this decision. Personally I would prefer to be able to continue using NinjaTrader with any broker and my guess is that most traders would appreciate the same freedom as well. Even though I have an account with NinjaTrader Brokerage, today I applied for an account with Optimus Futures to make sure I meet the deadline. Based on my research, Optimus seems like a great broker with excellent customer service, solid technical support and competitive commissions. I wish NinjaTrader Brokerage the best and hope that they reach the same level of success that they have reached with their platform business.

I hope that this is not true and it's just a misunderstanding.

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I heard that NinjaTrader Platform users will no longer be able to open new accounts with brokers other than NinjaTrader Brokerage after the 15th of this month. If this is true, I hope that NinjaTrader reconsiders this decision. Personally I would prefer to be able to continue using NinjaTrader with any broker and my guess is that most traders would appreciate the same freedom as well. Even though I have an account with NinjaTrader Brokerage, today I applied for an account with Optimus Futures to make sure I meet the deadline. Based on my research, Optimus seems like a great broker with excellent customer service, solid technical support and competitive commissions. I wish NinjaTrader Brokerage the best and hope that they reach the same level of success that they have reached with their platform business.

Anega,

Your understanding is not correct, allow me to clarify:
  • Existing NinjaTrader Platform users who have purchased before the 15th of July will always have access to the brokerage technologies that we support allowing them to broker where they want now, and in the future
  • New users after July 15th will be able to use the NinjaTrader Platform at any of the brokerages publicly listed here - NinjaTrader Ecosystem | NinjaScript Broker Partners.

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Anega,

Your understanding is not correct, allow me to clarify:
  • Existing NinjaTrader Platform users who have purchased before the 15th of July will always have access to the brokerage technologies that we support allowing them to broker where they want now, and in the future
  • New users after July 15th will be able to use the NinjaTrader Platform at any of the brokerages publicly listed here - NinjaTrader Ecosystem | NinjaScript Broker Partners.

I can't tell you how nervous I was until you clarified Anega's question. I got even more nervous when I went to NinjaTraders website and could no longer find the link to supported brokerages. Ray, I am happy that you are still supporting external brokers but could you be a little more transparent and make the link to supported brokers more easy to find on the website. Thanks.

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I can't tell you how nervous I was until you clarified Anega's question. I got even more nervous when I went to NinjaTraders website and could no longer find the link to supported brokerages. Ray, I am happy that you are still supporting external brokers but could you be a little more transparent and make the link to supported brokers more easy to find on the website. Thanks.

It was mentioned in other post somewhere that you still can use NT after that magic date.

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Anega,

Your understanding is not correct, allow me to clarify:
  • Existing NinjaTrader Platform users who have purchased before the 15th of July will always have access to the brokerage technologies that we support allowing them to broker where they want now, and in the future
  • New users after July 15th will be able to use the NinjaTrader Platform at any of the brokerages publicly listed here - NinjaTrader Ecosystem | NinjaScript Broker Partners.

There are a couple of brokers who are held in very high regard on these forums. They are very responsive to their customers, and go to great lengths to ensure that their customers are satisfied. I am speaking primarily of Optimus and Deep Discount Trading.

Can you articulate why you guys are no longer working with them, specifically?

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There are a couple of brokers who are held in very high regard on these forums. They are very responsive to their customers, and go to great lengths to ensure that their customers are satisfied. I am speaking primarily of Optimus and Deep Discount Trading.

Can you articulate why you guys are no longer working with them, specifically?

What about other brokers like Cannon Trading and Stage 5?

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Anega,

Your understanding is not correct, allow me to clarify:
  • Existing NinjaTrader Platform users who have purchased before the 15th of July will always have access to the brokerage technologies that we support allowing them to broker where they want now, and in the future
  • New users after July 15th will be able to use the NinjaTrader Platform at any of the brokerages publicly listed here - NinjaTrader Ecosystem | NinjaScript Broker Partners.

@NinjaTrader

This is the danger, if a trading software company starts to be a broker.
Maybe not yet, but let´s see, how many connections will be cut in the future.
All other brokers are now competition to NT brokerage. See it like it is.

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Following plans, CannonTrading and Ninja no longer match.
The new panel of choice is too narrow at this stage if you have diversified needs. Consequently I hope NinjaBrokerage takes command and add more and more product types and exchanges quickly.

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NT, do you support european servers?
My latency to US servers is too high

If yes, can you give me the server name?

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There are a couple of brokers who are held in very high regard on these forums. They are very responsive to their customers, and go to great lengths to ensure that their customers are satisfied. I am speaking primarily of Optimus and Deep Discount Trading.

Can you articulate why you guys are no longer working with them, specifically?


@NinjaTrader I would also like to know the why certain brokers have been excluded?
Did they not meet the requirements or refuse to offer at the 'suggested' commission rate etc?

(I'm not associated with any brokerage other than as a customer)
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I barely see the point of eluding brokers and narrowing the choice of traders options if NinjaBrokerage holds true advantages, which I think it does. It stands out for fees, simplicity and customer service. Why not let the competition alone and live by itself ?

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Anega,

Your understanding is not correct, allow me to clarify:
  • Existing NinjaTrader Platform users who have purchased before the 15th of July will always have access to the brokerage technologies that we support allowing them to broker where they want now, and in the future
  • New users after July 15th will be able to use the NinjaTrader Platform at any of the brokerages publicly listed here - NinjaTrader Ecosystem | NinjaScript Broker Partners.

Hi @NinjaTrader
Does this apply to people who are leasing?

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Hi @NinjaTrader
Does this apply to people who are leasing?

This applies to any NinjaTrader platform client who has any active live trading license which includes lease holders.

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NT, do you support european servers?
My latency to US servers is too high

If yes, can you give me the server name?

TIA

Yes, Continuum by CQG has POP's around the globe. On connection, you should be automatically routed to the server with the lowest latency. If this is not the case, please email platformsupport@ninjatrader.com.

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I barely see the point of eluding brokers and narrowing the choice of traders options if NinjaBrokerage holds true advantages, which I think it does. It stands out for fees, simplicity and customer service. Why not let the competition alone and live by itself ?

This is a good question and one that has been asked several times in various forms throughout this thread. I invite you to listen to the webinar I presented here on July 2nd where I respond to this question in detail, my response below is a high level summary of what I discussed. In short, there are many business reasons that come into play and you must consider them as a whole versus individually.

The futures industry has been hit with the collapse of MF Global and PFGBEST.com, increased CME data fees and recent negative news such as the significant NFA complaints against several brokerage firms. This has paved the way for consolidation that is already underway and will result in a different brokerage landscape where FCM’s with proprietary technology will compete directly for clients and will reduce their reliance on introducing brokers. It is important that NinjaTrader remain relevant and competitive in order to continue to deliver the world class experience that our clients expect, we needed to shift our business model to align with the forthcoming changes in the industry.

We believe that extending the NinjaTrader platform from the desktop to the cloud and shifting features such as ATM Strategies server side is critical to be successful as a platform developer long term and provide our clients with a seamless trading experience across any device. The economics and practicality of delivering on this vision can only be achieved through an integrated platform/brokerage strategy.

Most introducing brokerages have historically leveraged NinjaTrader’s high brand equity to acquire prospects only to re-direct them to another platform that was in their best interests. In one of many examples, just a few weeks ago a broker ran a Google search ad offering “Free NinjaTrader” but when you clicked on the ad, it directed you to a landing page promoting a different platform. We have chosen to refine the list of available brokerage outlets for new clients after July 15th, 2014 to eliminate conflicts of interest in an inevitable changing brokerage backdrop. For the few brokerages that are an exception to the norm, in the overall context of the evolving market place it is both technically and economically impractical for us to make accommodations.

Existing NinjaTrader platform users who purchased before the 15th of July will always have access to the brokerage technologies that are currently supported providing them with mobility to broker where they wish now and in the future. New clients after July 15th will still have brokerage choice based on the refined list publicly listed here NinjaTrader Ecosystem | Broker Partners. It is also important to understand that we will continue to explore and enter into strategic brokerage relationships in the future.

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We believe that extending the NinjaTrader platform from the desktop to the cloud and shifting features such as ATM Strategies server side is critical to be successful as a platform developer long term and provide our clients with a seamless trading experience across any device. The economics and practicality of delivering on this vision can only be achieved through an integrated platform/brokerage strategy.


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This actually scares me because I wouldn't want to have my proprietary algorithms in some "cloud". There would also be issues regarding who actually owns the algorithms, me or NinjaTrader.

I haven't yet listened to the webinar which I plan to do this weekend so I apologize if I'm way off base or if you have already provided a solution to this concern.

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This is a good question and one that has been asked several times in various forms throughout this thread. I invite you to listen to the webinar I presented here on July 2nd where I respond to this question in detail, my response below is a high level summary of what I discussed. In short, there are many business reasons that come into play and you must consider them as a whole versus individually.

The futures industry has been hit with the collapse of MF Global and PFGBEST.com, increased CME data fees and recent negative news such as the significant NFA complaints against several brokerage firms. This has paved the way for consolidation that is already underway and will result in a different brokerage landscape where FCM’s with proprietary technology will compete directly for clients and will reduce their reliance on introducing brokers. It is important that NinjaTrader remain relevant and competitive in order to continue to deliver the world class experience that our clients expect, we needed to shift our business model to align with the forthcoming changes in the industry.

We believe that extending the NinjaTrader platform from the desktop to the cloud and shifting features such as ATM Strategies server side is critical to be successful as a platform developer long term and provide our clients with a seamless trading experience across any device. The economics and practicality of delivering on this vision can only be achieved through an integrated platform/brokerage strategy.

Most introducing brokerages have historically leveraged NinjaTrader’s high brand equity to acquire prospects only to re-direct them to another platform that was in their best interests. In one of many examples, just a few weeks ago a broker ran a Google search ad offering “Free NinjaTrader” but when you clicked on the ad, it directed you to a landing page promoting a different platform. We have chosen to refine the list of available brokerage outlets for new clients after July 15th, 2014 to eliminate conflicts of interest in an inevitable changing brokerage backdrop. For the few brokerages that are an exception to the norm, in the overall context of the evolving market place it is both technically and economically impractical for us to make accommodations.

Existing NinjaTrader platform users who purchased before the 15th of July will always have access to the brokerage technologies that are currently supported providing them with mobility to broker where they wish now and in the future. New clients after July 15th will still have brokerage choice based on the refined list publicly listed here NinjaTrader Ecosystem | Broker Partners. It is also important to understand that we will continue to explore and enter into strategic brokerage relationships in the future.

Ray

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That sounds good.
So is it like this, that the few brokers left are a kind of honoured by NT (even AMP is fighting with futures.io (formerly BMT) in the moment)?
Another question, even i´ve watched the seminar: even NT can´t avoid the new 15$ fee for CME, or did i miss sth.?

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This actually scares me because I wouldn't want to have my proprietary algorithmns in some "cloud". There would also be issues regarding who actually owns the algorithmns, me or NinjaTrader.

We will provide choice to our clients to decide to run any level of automation either client side or server side. ATM strategies I would not consider proprietary algorithms and I am confident that our users would prefer to have them run server side.

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Another question, even i´ve watched the seminar: even NT can´t avoid the new 15$ fee for CME, or did i miss sth.?

CME monthly data fees will apply to all FCM/IB clients, so there is no way to avoid this after January 1st, 2015

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This applies to any NinjaTrader platform client who has any active live trading license which includes lease holders.


Hello @NinjaTrader Thank you for your reposnse, and my sincere apologies to beat a dead horse but I neglected to ask.
Does that include the data feed of ones choice available through their existing broker and/or their future choice.(for existing license holders prior to July 15th)
Thanks in advance for your patience through all of this. One might admit though that you are throwing out one heck of a curve ball for all.

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As a non professional trader, you can choose from 2 packages $3 for bundled exchanges just bid and ask and $15 for bundled exchange with complete depth correct ? would you offer both choices in the NT brokerage ?

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Hello @NinjaTrader Thank you for your reposnse, and my sincere apologies to beat a dead horse but I neglected to ask.
Does that include the data feed of ones choice available through their existing broker and/or their future choice.(for existing license holders prior to July 15th)

Yes. For example, if you currently have an active license for Trading Technologies and one year from now, you switch brokers and they only support Patsystems --> Send us an email and we will change your license to Patsystems at no charge.

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As a non professional trader, you can choose from 2 packages $3 for bundled exchanges just bid and ask and $15 for bundled exchange with complete depth correct ? would you offer both choices in the NT brokerage ?

Currently, CQG/Continuum only offers the full market depth without a way to offer clients the lower priced bid/offer. We are hoping to have a solution in place by the January 1st deadline that would allow traders to choose just the bid/offer option and pay $3 bundled pricing.

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New clients after July 15th will still have brokerage choice based on the refined list publicly listed here NinjaTrader Ecosystem | Broker Partners. It is also important to understand that we will continue to explore and enter into strategic brokerage relationships in the future.

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Hi Ray

I am trying to understand the implication for traders who learn of and purchase the NT platform after 15 Jul 2014. If a trader want to use NT to trade an Asian Exchange e.g. could be BMD or Jakarta Future Exchange through PAT or Continuum whichever is available through the local Asian FCM; what are the options available for this trader assuming none of the listed broker on the NT Ecosystem trade into these exchanges.

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Hi Ray

I am trying to understand the implication for traders who learn of and purchase the NT platform after 15 Jul 2014. If a trader want to use NT to trade an Asian Exchange e.g. could be BMD or Jakarta Future Exchange through PAT or Continuum whichever is available through the local Asian FCM; what are the options available for this trader assuming none of the listed broker on the NT Ecosystem trade into these exchanges.

We exchanged a few posts earlier in this thread on the same topic. In short, Interactive Brokers would be the best brokerage option with the most Asian exchange coverage at this time however, having a strategic partner in the region is desirable. All I can say at this time is that I am personally working on finding an FCM partner in the region and our datafeed/technology strategy likely will be driven by the FCM.

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Unfortunately you heard wrong, allow me to clarify:

Existing clients - Can continue to use NinjaTrader through their existing brokerage relationship now and in the future.

New Clients - Can use NinjaTrader through any of our supporting brokerage partners publicly listed here - NinjaTrader Ecosystem

A little confused

About existing NT clients, say we drop existing brokerage relationship for a new one. In that case are we stuck to the restricted Ecosystem partners list or able to change for a past technology that is no longer supported ?

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Howdy guys. Is there a way to trade from a personal IRA using NT Brokerage? If so, what are the steps?

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I believe NT brokerage is currently only futures so you wouldnt be able to park your ira there. Could use IB ot MBT I think are the only full service left.

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I believe NT brokerage is currently only futures so you wouldnt be able to park your ira there. Could use IB ot MBT I think are the only full service left.

Thanks, Tracer.

NT folks, can you confirm Tracer's comment?

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Howdy guys. Is there a way to trade from a personal IRA using NT Brokerage? If so, what are the steps?

I use AdvantaIRA... AdvantaIRA Trust LLC - Fort Myers/Naples

As the Custodian they must cosign the docs; otherwise doesn't seem to be a problem. Dorman is the FCM. I'm transferring from Cannon Trading to Ninja.

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A word of warning for German/Foreign traders:

I emailed NT Brokerage soon after the transition (2 weeks ago) to take advantage of the new rates. At first I got an email that the new rates have been approved for my account.
To my surprise on the next statement the commission for ES roundturn was raised to 7,24$!
Emailed the support again and now got an email from Mr. Radecker, who I know was a Mirus support affiliate or so in Germany. He said that the publically posted commissions on the NT Brockerage website are not for German traders! Questionable, but there is nothing I can do about that.

But only last Friday after 2 weeks my commissions were corrected with an empty email answered by the NT support. No refund has been given for the 32,50$ overcharge.

So traders please be aware. After this trouble I guess I will take my business elsewhere...

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A word of warning for German/Foreign traders:

I emailed NT Brokerage soon after the transition (2 weeks ago) to take advantage of the new rates. At first I got an email that the new rates have been approved for my account.
To my surprise on the next statement the commission for ES roundturn was raised to 7,24$!
Emailed the support again and now got an email from Mr. Radecker, who I know was a Mirus support affiliate or so in Germany. He said that the publically posted commissions on the NT Brockerage website are not for German traders! Questionable, but there is nothing I can do about that.

But only last Friday after 2 weeks my commissions were corrected with an empty email answered by the NT support. No refund has been given for the 32,50$ overcharge.

So traders please be aware. After this trouble I guess I will take my business elsewhere...

Thank for the waring, i am German and i just opened an accout wit NT but i havn´t tranfered the money yet.
I now Mr. Radecker from the time with Mirus and Zenfire and i do not! work with him like many other Germans.

@ninjaBroker Can you please give us a statement about the commissions for German accounts!

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Thank for the waring, i am German and i just opened an accout wit NT but i havn´t tranfered the money yet.
I now Mr. Radecker from the time with Mirus and Zenfire and i do not! work with him like many other Germans.

@ninjaBroker Can you please give us a statement about the commissions for German accounts!

@NT Brokerage will clarify this question.

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A little confused

About existing NT clients, say we drop existing brokerage relationship for a new one. In that case are we stuck to the restricted Ecosystem partners list or able to change for a past technology that is no longer supported ?

You will be able to change to past technology that is technically supported but no longer available for purchase.

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A word of warning for German/Foreign traders:

I emailed NT Brokerage soon after the transition (2 weeks ago) to take advantage of the new rates. At first I got an email that the new rates have been approved for my account.
To my surprise on the next statement the commission for ES roundturn was raised to 7,24$!
Emailed the support again and now got an email from Mr. Radecker, who I know was a Mirus support affiliate or so in Germany. He said that the publically posted commissions on the NT Brockerage website are not for German traders! Questionable, but there is nothing I can do about that.

But only last Friday after 2 weeks my commissions were corrected with an empty email answered by the NT support. No refund has been given for the 32,50$ overcharge.

So traders please be aware. After this trouble I guess I will take my business elsewhere...

Traders in Germany have the ability to work directly with NinjaTrader Brokerage and get our standard commission rates available on our website. There will also be another option of working with a registered German broker for clients that prefer/need to have German-speaking support and work with a local German office. This is a separate brokerage firm named Atvantis and the partnership will be officially announced soon.

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Howdy guys. Is there a way to trade from a personal IRA using NT Brokerage? If so, what are the steps?

IRA accounts must be opened through a custodian. Many customers use Midland IRA but Dorman is typically flexible to work with any number of custodians. If you email brokeragesales@ninjatrader.com, they can assist in setting up the IRA account.

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@NinjaTrader Could you let us know if/when the Rythmic data feed is available please? I would like to use it for eurex. Thanks

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Short question; I have a demo right now and I saw that CQG does not have Historical Data. Is it only because of the demo version or is that normal?

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Short question; I have a demo right now and I saw that CQG does not have Historical Data. Is it only because of the demo version or is that normal?

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CQG does have historical data for both demo and live accounts. Please follow up with platformsupport@ninjatrader.com for further help on this issue.

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