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I have used (and like) Zen Fire data but it would be nice to view daily bars and it would also be nice to have access to $TICK data (and perhaps other internals such as $TRIN or $PREM, etc.). How does Trading Technologies and DTN IQ data compare to Zen Fire in terms of reliability, pricing and access to market internals? Thanks.

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I have used (and like) Zen Fire data but it would be nice to view daily bars and it would also be nice to have access to $TICK data (and perhaps other internals such as $TRIN or $PREM, etc.). How does Trading Technologies and DTN IQ data compare to Zen Fire in terms of reliability, pricing and access to market internals? Thanks.



I think it's important to also consider your platform. Using NT, I've had data from eSignal, IB, Zen Fire, and IQfeed.

Zen Fire is the best in my opinion, not only in actual raw tick data and no problems/anomalies, but also with integration into Ninja.

I would rate eSignal second best, but also is very expensive.

I would rate IQfeed third best, it is semi-expensive and has some data flaws (irregular spikes/anomalies that if you email them, they will "fix" (ie: delete) which is kinda worrisome) but its major flaw was NT integration, the client API left much to be desired and had much slower performance than Zen, which is native to NT.

I would rate IB last, at terrible and to be avoided at all costs, not only due to poor data but also the crappiest integration with Ninja and the most problems as a result.

I, too, want $TICK and etc with Zen. But I've lived without it for over a year. I may try again when NT7 is final, and will try IQfeed again since it is the only 64-bit client available for NT except for IB, which I wouldn't touch. (eSignal has no x64 port). I guess it is my wishful thinking than with the new x64 API on IQfeed that they may have fixed some prior bugs, but in reality it's probably the opposite... ugh. Only time would tell.

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I think IB is fine for minute / daily data but dont use their tick data.
With IB, you would have to make your own continuous futures contracts if you want to backtest a strategy.
I use IB to trade live, but on half hour bars.

DTN IQFeed is good but slow. (esignal is fastest). You get 2+ (maybe 3) years of futures historical minute data which is better than esignal. Unfortunately the way they make their continuous contracts sucks. They just have fixed day swapover and with no backadjust. This works ok for some (like CL, ES) which move to the following month on the particular day. It sucks enormously on things like gold which kind of have 3 active contracts. The most active is not necessarily the nearest month.

esignal is fastest and the continuous contracts are organised best, but you dont get as much historical data (last time I checked) and it is expensive when all you are using it for is strategy development. I am considering getting esignal ondemand and then exporting continuous contracts and importing them into ninjatrader. Anyone else done that?

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To trade eminis, a data feed with the following symbols $TRIN, $TICK, $PREM, $ADV will be very usefull. To get datafeed with symbols like $TRIN, $TICK, $PREM, $ADV, there is a cost effective data feed from TraderBytes for $15 on over 700 indexes and they have a 1 month free trial too.

I think this datafeed using the free quotetracker with it's charting and paintbars will help until the Ninja7 option. My 2 cents.

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I use zen-fire as a backup feed and have found that on busy volume moments it tends to lag a bit. Over all though it is excellent for free. I wish IB would start collecting real tick data since I use it to trade from. I hate having 1 feed to view charts and another to trade from since they always differ a small amount.

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Just a thought for those who want market internals, which I use religiously when trading indexes like TF, for example.

Open an account at ThinkOrSwim. Their platform has come a long way, and setting up internals is a snap. There are no monthly charges or minimums, and it's nice to have if you want to dabble in a multitude of stocks, futures, fx or options. It's all in the same platform, no changing between accounts.

I use NT to trade futures, but also keep ThinkOrSwim open for internals, at least.

Hope this helps.

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Can anyone give a good lay-man explanation of the difference between Zen-Fire and TT data feeds. For the average retail trader is there a noticable difference? How do these data feeds compare to the data feed from Open E Cry?

Thanks for helping a non-techie out.

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Can anyone give a good lay-man explanation of the difference between Zen-Fire and TT data feeds. For the average retail trader is there a noticable difference? How do these data feeds compare to the data feed from Open E Cry?

Thanks for helping a non-techie out.

TT is filtered, I believe it comes in 250ms bursts. There is also no historical backfill with TT. I know that Amp for instance charges an extra .25c or so rt for Zen Fire, so I guess TT is cheaper, but I would really go for Zen Fire if you are using NT.

Never used Open E Cry. But have used eSignal and IQfeed, and Zen Fire is pretty much the best if you only need futures data and use NT.

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Just to add my 2 cents.

I use ZenFire and back it up with a secondary connection to IQ for EOD data and internals (and you could add FX if you liked). I've actually had less issues with IQ than with ZF in Ninja ... Perhaps because they have fixed problems, perhaps because I don't use them for live contract data (just live internals) ... I never get disconnects or anything...

I'd like to know other cheap options for internals, and can offer one myself. Fund a small account at Think Or Swim and you get their charting package which is really quite neat. You don't have to trade with them, and the data is live, including all the internals, sectors, and a myriad of other data ... just an option .. I know some people do this ...

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I contacted iqfeed tech support via chat yesterday. I've had an ongoing cable issue but wanted to rule out a vendor issue. Person helped me determine the problem was elsewhere. Now I'm not much for customer service (I prefer relaibility and never having to talk to them) but I couldn't help but be impressed when someone from iqfeed called me today to follow up and make certain there were no lingering issues. Quality.


On anothe note: I stumbled upon an email that some of you might be interested in given zenfire's many problems recently. It was dated Aug 16th following an ISP outage and noted some proposed changes that would please most users:
As the premier network and market data solution, Zen-Fire is implementing the following steps to prevent or minimize the impact of large-scale internet outages in the future.

1. Inform traders of a potential issue

Zen-Fire is working to integrate a RSS feed alerting users of the status of Internet connections. This service will be used to alert potential issues and keep traders informed on the latest developments.


2. Provide an alternate login to check order status and flatten positions

A new web based trading application will be available next month that will provide a mechanism for traders to check the real-time status of orders and positions. Traders will be able to send a 'Flatten' command directly to the engine and avoid any 3rd party trading application. This tool will only show orders that have made it to the engine and can be used to confirm the status of 'pending' orders on other platforms.


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You can get a discount for DTN IQ exchange fee waiver.
There is a 20% of the annual fee for those who use NinjaTrader and MultiCharts
PM me if interested in details how to go about it.

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TT is filtered, I believe it comes in 250ms bursts. There is also no historical backfill with TT. I know that Amp for instance charges an extra .25c or so rt for Zen Fire, so I guess TT is cheaper, but I would really go for Zen Fire if you are using NT.

Never used Open E Cry. But have used eSignal and IQfeed, and Zen Fire is pretty much the best if you only need futures data and use NT.

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I have used both ZF and TT for a few years with NT for live trading (which is all that counts--forget the bells and whistles.) TT is not only less expensive but more reliable. The typical futures.io (formerly BMT) trader won't notice any difference in fills, so why pay a premium for a commodity with a slick marketing pitch?

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I have used both ZF and TT for a few years with NT for live trading (which is all that counts--forget the bells and whistles.) TT is not only less expensive but more reliable. The typical futures.io (formerly BMT) trader won't notice any difference in fills, so why pay a premium for a commodity with a slick marketing pitch?

If you don't mind me asking, what is the difference in cost between TT and ZN?

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I have used (and like) Zen Fire data but it would be nice to view daily bars and it would also be nice to have access to $TICK data (and perhaps other internals such as $TRIN or $PREM, etc.). How does Trading Technologies and DTN IQ data compare to Zen Fire in terms of reliability, pricing and access to market internals? Thanks.

DTN.IQ is the premier "retailer" feed at this time with excellent market breadth tools (and very low lag NYSE TICK data.....only 1 second delay from reality!) and a very reliable overall feed. DTN pricing is very fair imo for all the value they provide and the reliability is 5 stars imo!

TT fix and Zenfire/Rithmic are broker supplied feeds....they were built for order routing primarily and other functions as secondary use. These feeds are in a whole different category than a true market data feed with ticker plant infrastructure like DTN (with excellent historical data feed capabilities). The broker supplied data feeds are decent for basic charting use and that is about it.

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If you don't mind me asking, what is the difference in cost between TT and ZN?

Many traders get "popped" about $.50 a R/T when they use Zenfire feed through a typical NT/Zen broker. TT fix/NT can get as low as about $.10 a R/T which is much better pricing.........$.40 difference per R/T trade!


BTW, what do you guys have for margin on the Kospi 200 through Vision if I wanted to trade that instrument during the Asian session hours? Thanks!

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Many traders get "popped" about $.50 a R/T when they use Zenfire feed through a typical NT/Zen broker. TT fix/NT can get as low as about $.10 a R/T which is much better pricing.........$.40 difference per R/T trade!


BTW, what do you guys have for margin on the Kospi 200 through Vision if I wanted to trade that instrument during the Asian session hours? Thanks!

I appreciate you answering the question. Further, give me an example of an RT of one Emini with TT and ZF.

Sorry no Kospi clearing now as told by my Chicago trade desk. We don't have the volume to justify it.

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I appreciate you answering the question. Further, give me an example of an RT of one Emini with TT and ZF.

Sorry no Kospi clearing now as told by my Chicago trade desk. We don't have the volume to justify it.

OK...thanks for that info.

A common R/T with NT/Zen is around $4.40 all in and I know of a few brokers who do $3.80 to $3.95 R/T all in with TT Fix/NT or TT Fix/TradeVec. These rates would be for a trader with no solid round trip history (like a newer trader or a very low volume trader)......hope that helps.


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OK...thanks for that info.

A common R/T with NT/Zen is around $4.40 all in and I know of a few brokers who do $3.80 to $3.95 R/T all in with TT Fix/NT or TT Fix/TradeVec. These rates would be for a trader with no solid round trip history (like a newer trader or a very low volume trader)......hope that helps.


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Thanks Again, Christopher. The Rithmic solution is around 4.00 RT and has the same quality as Zen.
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Rithmic broker like Vision, who is giving splendid service goes much lower than $4 RT. But you will have to ask them to negotiate.

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I provide Rithmic, and yes, if the volume justifies then you can negotiate.

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Thanks, I was quoted lower at vision Vision Financial Markets - Futures, Securities & Options | Brokerage, Clearing & Technology without any volume requirements or volume questions.

I really like Vision, they are really good, they are big but not really known. And they are the creators of the Rithmic datafeed, so they are AT the source of it.

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They are not the creators of Rithmic, they are users just like me.
Rithmic is a fully independent company.

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What you are quoted and what is on paper is a different thing. Do you actually have less than 4 on a statement?
Many quote fees without the routing fee, my fee is all in.

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When they quote me and they say it's ALL IN rount trip, including all fees etc, I assume it's all in.

you are correct on the Rithmic, I checked again on the emails I got from them and they say the datafeed is coming from Rithmic, LLC. It's because at Rithmic I was guided to Vision because they are a merchant. Rithmic - Partners You are listed there as an IB.


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When they quote me and they say it's ALL IN rount trip, including all fees etc, I assume it's all in.

you are correct on the Rithmic, I checked again on the emails I got from them and they say the datafeed is coming from Rithmic, LLC. It's because at Rithmic I was guided to Vision because they are a merchant. Rithmic - Partners You are listed there as an IB.


They say....LOL...routing fees are different.

I have a very good relationship with Rithmic and they service me and my clients like champions.
They know I am a very enthusiastic about getting new business, but at the same time servicing my guys is a priority.
Rithmic is VERY responsive and gives me A+ service so far.

two weeks ago I went with the owner of Rithmic to see the Bull's pre-season in Chicago.
Bulls were leading by 12 points and then lost...lucky for the Bull's pre season is like sim mode...doesn't count..LOL

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Recently there was discussion about NinjaTrader's use of Zen Fire service levels that provided filtered data.

Well, now with NT7 RC1 beta 23, they've announced this as a change:

Changed - ZenFire adapter
Changed default connection points to servers that provide unfiltered bid/ask data (Existing users must re-create their account connection)

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zenfire has tick data, I use it yesterday

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zenfire has tick data, I use it yesterday

Who is this addressed to? No one said Zen Fire doesn't have tick data....

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I had problems with Zenfire and the TT datafeed today. It was missing old data and when I tried to reload it, it didn't worked and my charts were messed up. I just had it.

I took a subscription at DTN/IQFEED, it delivers all you need as a trader, I should have been doing this a long time ago. The free datafeeds are to place orders IMHO, not to feed your charting.

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Just an update and question as at March 2011.

The last few weeks have seen terrible issues with zen fire, eg see support forum thread:

delayed zenfire data - NinjaTrader Support Forum

I even had issues with live Kinetick feed this morning (promptly fixed). I'm considering a broker that provides TT data, eg Velocity Futures, as an alternative to zen fire, which has been having little micro freezes for the last few months (it's affecting non-US residents more - I'm in Europe).

If anyone has an updated opinion on the TT data feed or on Velocity Futures (or another TT broker supporting Ninja) then I'd love to hear about it!

ps: Ninja supporting brokers offering TT are:
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  • AMP Futures
  • Future Path Trading
  • Gateway Capital
  • vCap Trading
  • Velocity Futures

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If anyone has an updated opinion on the TT data feed or on Velocity Futures (or another TT broker supporting Ninja) then I'd love to hear about it!

ps: Ninja supporting brokers offering TT are:
  • Advantage Futures
  • AMP Futures
  • Future Path Trading
  • Gateway Capital
  • vCap Trading
  • Velocity Futures

Thanks!

wave

Hi,

my experience with AdvantageFutures with NT and TT is very good. So I can recommend you AF.
Since TT does not execute orders to EUREX I´m using CTS - T4. It is a very stable and fast frontend. You can get a 2 week trial and try it if you want through AF or CTS:
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hi

does anyone know the price per month for data from zenfire? Cound not find anything on website

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does anyone know the price per month for data from zenfire? Cound not find anything on website

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there is no "price" per se... it is an execution feed.. so you just need to be with a broker that offers zenfire..

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my experience with AdvantageFutures with NT and TT is very good. So I can recommend you AF.

Advantage Futures has one of the best TT setups out there...

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hi

does anyone know the price per month for data from zenfire? Cound not find anything on website

Exchange: CBOT only


many thanks

Its best to ask your broker how much you are paying to execute through and receive data from Zenfire since the fees are wrapped up in your commissions. The overall price you pay for Zenfire data will depend on how actively you trade.

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Advantage Futures has one of the best TT setups out there...

So there is a difference between TT data provided by one broker and another? Eg Velocity versus Advantage?

If TT is filtered and ZF is not, what is the real implication to the trader? Obviously 'unfiltered' sounds better/faster but there must be more to it than that ?

Does anyone believe one datafeed is better than the other?

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Does anyone believe one datafeed is better than the other?

Yes of course, not all data feeds are equal - not even close.

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Yes of course, not all data feeds are equal - not even close.

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Could you list your preferences and what criteria you used to decide ?

I use Zenfire because , it is available from the broker and the fee is included with my commission which is fine.

I trade TF discretionary only. One chart, one instrument, one time frame.

Is there any advantage in me using a different data feed?

If I traded 6E or CL would there be a better choice of data feeds?

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For vast majority of people, a feed like Rithmic, Zen Fire, or TT -- all broker provided -- will be just fine, and in fact an excellent feed.

For those requiring special backfill, such as longer historical backfill, or bid/ask backfill, or for those requiring absolute perfection in tick sequencing/ordering, or for those requiring special continuous contract symbols, or for those requiring breadth data, or for those requiring equities quotes, then IQfeed is the way to go.

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Yes of course, not all data feeds are equal - not even close.

Mike

Mike I meant "who thinks ZF is better and who thinks TT is better" ... I was trying to get a feel for if there was marked preference for one or the other.

- My primary question is: "Does "filtering" of TT data slow it down or make it inferior in any way? I'm confused as to why any data feed would filter" ?? I'm considering switching as ZF not reliable for non US users anymore.

- Does the filtering affect tick charts?

- Second, while DTN and Kinetick are supposed to be exactly the same data, I seem to be having more issues with Kinetick than I had with DTN. Is this just me or have others noticed this? (Kinetick is owned by DTN but cheaper for Ninja).

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They filter to save money - server resources, money, etc.

If you filter water maybe you like it better and it is maybe even better for you.

But with data, if you are filtering it and other people are using raw data, and high level institutions go to great lengths to get unfiltered data and put in place extra resources to handle unfiltered data, then you are at some disadvantage if you are using filtered data.

As to how big this effects you, it could be very minor. If you don't know you need unfiltered data and your broker is TT or Zen-Fire, then you are fine using what they give you most likely.

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every people say that TT is used by profesional traders, is that true by your knowing big mike?

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ow and forgeting one thing... I use zenfire with AMP and TS. And i notice that zenfire drops conection more often.

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When I used Rithmic for a few months (which I believe is Zenfire), I had the same issues with drops, especially during volatility,which was when I needed it to be up the most. This I found very annoying. The speed of the connection was amazing such that I saw tick moves back and forth so quickly that I don't think I have ever seen. At the end of the day I realized that what good was it when the connection would drop during the trade or when I was tying to put one on.

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When I used Rithmic for a few months (which I believe is Zenfire), I had the same issues with drops, especially during volatility,which was when I needed it to be up the most. This I found very annoying. The speed of the connection was amazing such that I saw tick moves back and forth so quickly that I don't think I have ever seen. At the end of the day I realized that what good was it when the connection would drop during the trade or when I was tying to put one on.

To me is not so clear your statement....

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Rithmic feed disconnected for me often during periods of volatility which I found frustrating.

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I posted under another heading but basically all about data feeds - Zenfire / Kinetick etc.

I described how my data was running 20 minutes behind the YM market on Thursday and Friday of last week...the first time this has happened since access to NinjaTrader/Zenfire three months ago.

I was online with another trader and could see the charts well ahead of mine....great trading opportunities with the benefit of hindsight!! Of course it would not accept any trading and I also notice bar chart timer stopped working on all timeframes.

What to do, except email support / wait for replies and wonder what had gone wrong....not exactly what a trader wants to be doing.

I will post again when I hear back from Ninja/Mirus Futures. It may take a couple of days.

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What you are describing almost sounds like you weren't authorized to receive real-time quotes for that market, and were receiving delayed data. But I don't think Zen Fire even has this, it would only be with other feeds like maybe DTN IQfeed if you didn't subscribe to the right option to be authorized for real-time quotes.

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They filter to save money - server resources, money, etc.

If you filter water maybe you like it better and it is maybe even better for you.

But with data, if you are filtering it and other people are using raw data, and high level institutions go to great lengths to get unfiltered data and put in place extra resources to handle unfiltered data, then you are at some disadvantage if you are using filtered data.

As to how big this effects you, it could be very minor. If you don't know you need unfiltered data and your broker is TT or Zen-Fire, then you are fine using what they give you most likely.

If you use platforms other than Ninja then use DTN not Kinetick.

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I've been demoing Ninja on Mirus with Zenfire. Does anyone know if Mirus demo feed behaves the same as their live feed? no obvious slippage or spread differences?

I wanted to try zen-fire because I was tired of ThinkOrSwim's horrendous DOM fills and their slippage at "real time". I'm mainly looking to scalp futures on 1min or 5min charts.

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I used Mirus/Zenfire/Ninja combination & it all behaved perfectly for months, then started to become unreliable...freezing, data delays etc. without explanation. Read previous posts ....funny how brokers want to blame their clients & not investigate the problem!!

Now I use Kinetick & the data feed is fantastic. Well worth the small monthly fee - just a cost of doing business is how I regard it.

Free is not always good when you are operating in a high risk environment. I have learnt that very expensive lesson.

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Cloudy,

I didn't really answer your question properly - I was referring to live trading.

I sometimes use sim with Zenfire/Ninja and have found that the sim platform is very good re fills /slippage.

However, sometimes I notice it is slow to fill sell orders though so if it is at the price you want then sometimes I just close the trade. No point in watching it move away from your order.

Compared to E-signal's sim trading, it is FAR superior re fills. E-Signal would have you in/out sometimes 10 ticks away from your price. Very frustrating when you are looking for precision with entries.

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Thanks Pipstalker. Yes I was mainly referring to live trading. I'm doing fine on sim so far. Hard to believe how could Mirus keep business with that kind of freezing and dropouts you mentioned..did it occur constantly when it started to occur? suspiciously during high trading times?

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Hi Cloudy

I first noticed it a few months ago. At first I would spend up to an hour trying to log onto Ninja - main problem. Then the platform would stop working / data feed would stop/ computer freezing - especially at news times / reboot etc...we've all been there, I'm sure.

I was putting up with this "non-performance" stuff, & feeling even less confident about placing a trade with unreliable platform. Who is at fault? I was never sure, & no-one was interested!

Then I was online with a trading group ... I noticed their data was way ahead of mine...15-20 minutes.
Again, the broker said its because I'm wireless (I'm not) & a plethora of other reasons why I was at fault.

(BTW lately I notice an increase in complaints about platforms freezing / systems crashing etc. just as I was experiencing.)

So I started with Kinetick just over a month ago and the rest is history. Honestly, haven't had a moments concern with them, customer service is instantaneous - they have even called me (Australia) to ensure everything working ok, to explain the different connections etc which all took a bit of time.

And I have the added bonus of actually being able to log in to Ninja, on usually the first try!! Now that's a plus.

The only change I have to do, is connect to Kinetick first, for the data, & secondly, connect to Zenfire, so my trades are connected to Mirus. That was the only confusing bit to the changeover.

At first I was antsy about having to pay for data, but the reduced stress levels more than compensate.

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Thanks pipstalker for the details. That is just horrible. 15-20 minutes behind on data. I wonder if being in Australia had anything to do with it. Or if you don't mind my asking, were you doing really well on trading in the problem free months before the problems stared?

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Hi guys....what is the consensus here....am considering Ninja....which Data feed is the most appropriate for unfiltered tick data. Came across this thread.....would like to get a current perspective.

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Hi guys....what is the consensus here....am considering Ninja....which Data feed is the most appropriate for unfiltered tick data. Came across this thread.....would like to get a current perspective.

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hi
I compared the three unfiltered data provider and how I see the accurate information on the display only 2 of them: iqfeed and rithimic look the same, zenfire shows a discrepancy

* If investing gets too difficult for a seventh grader to understand, the system is needlessly complex
* Markets produce an enormous volume of information, much of which is redundant
* In every game and con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former
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hi again
I present another example in platform a Sierrachart, as you can see, the data is identical, in other words we do not need to use ninjatrader to obtain accurate data, the other platform as sierrachart does everything in the best possible way
Now there is no need to use IQfeed for accurate data, rithmic and zenfire works a good with sierrachart!!!


Unfortunately all our favorite platform an Ninjatrader does not cope with the task to ensure the accuracy


I want to tell everyone who trades with order flow, think ...

* If investing gets too difficult for a seventh grader to understand, the system is needlessly complex
* Markets produce an enormous volume of information, much of which is redundant
* In every game and con there's always an opponent, and there's always a victim. The trick is to know when you're the latter, so you can become the former
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