NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





IQFeed and Rithmic volume difference due to implied trades?


Discussion in Brokers

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one sugarhigh with 3 posts (0 thanks)
    2. looks_two Big Mike with 1 posts (2 thanks)
    3. looks_3 mattz with 1 posts (1 thanks)
    4. looks_4 Quick Summary with 1 posts (0 thanks)
    1. trending_up 3,466 views
    2. thumb_up 3 thanks given
    3. group 2 followers
    1. forum 5 posts
    2. attach_file 0 attachments




 
Search this Thread

IQFeed and Rithmic volume difference due to implied trades?

  #1 (permalink)
 sugarhigh 
Budapest, Hungary
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: SC, MC, OEC
Broker: IQFeed
Trading: STIR
Posts: 5 since Jan 2012
Thanks Given: 2
Thanks Received: 1

Hello,
this is my first post so please forgive me if I don’t obey all the rules yet, have been lurking around for some months though…

I know these topics have been discussed elsewhere, but I think not my specific question.

I’m currently on an IQFeed trial (with live ICE US data) and also on a Rithmic trial via Optimus. I recorded live market data for Cocoa (CCK12) for Feb 16 and observed differences in the reported trades: Rithmic reported/sent more trades than IQfeed.

IQfeed’s customer service told me that they don’t report every trade, they are not sending “implied trades”, i.e. trades from the internal matching engine. So their total volume field is not 100% explained by the incremental volumes.

For Feb 16, IQfeed tick-based volume (i.e. summing volume over all trades) for CCK12 is 14,419 and Rithmic tick-based volume is 16,521. Both report total volume of 16,523. So it seems to me that the Rithmic feed would be “more complete” and sent probably also implied trades.

The exchange reports total volume for CCK12 on Feb 16 of 17,264 (thereof EFP 406, Block Trade 77 and Spread Volume 4852). Implied trades should be related to the spread volume but I cannot reconcile the figures completely…

Am I missing something? What do you think about reporting of implied trades? Would that make Rithmic more accurate for some kind of volume analysis?

Does anyone know how ICE calculates (or defines) spread volume per (outright) contract?

Thanks in advance for any help!

Started this thread Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Cheap historycal L1 data for stocks
Stocks and ETFs
Pivot Indicator like the old SwingTemp by Big Mike
NinjaTrader
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
How to apply profiles
Traders Hideout
REcommedations for programming help
Sierra Chart
 
  #3 (permalink)
 
mattz's Avatar
 mattz   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 2,493 since Sep 2010
Thanks Given: 2,441
Thanks Received: 3,791


Rithmic provide information based upon implied trades (from spreads). Rithmic also provide information based upon conditioned trades (a block trade may one type of condition) but it would be shown in different fields (the condition trade fields). the volume Rithmic report is the volume that the exchange tells them has traded.

Trading futures and options involves substantial risk of loss and is not suitable for all investors. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. You may lose more than your initial investment. All posts are opinions and do not claim to be facts. Please conduct your own due diligence. Use only Risk capital when trading Futures.
1 800 771 6748 local 561 367 8686 email [email protected]
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #4 (permalink)
 sugarhigh 
Budapest, Hungary
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: SC, MC, OEC
Broker: IQFeed
Trading: STIR
Posts: 5 since Jan 2012
Thanks Given: 2
Thanks Received: 1

Thanks mattz!

OK, Rithmic reports trades resulting from implied orders and IQFEED doesn't.

Do you know, whether one can somehow reconcile that difference (in terms of volume) with the "Spread Volume" for that contract as reported by the exchange?
In my case:
  • IQ-tick-vol=14419
  • Rithmic-tick-vol=16521
  • Difference= 2102.
BUT:
  • Spread Volume for CCK12 as reported by the exchange 4852

Just want to make sure that I unerstand the volume/trade reporting...

Started this thread Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 Big Mike 
Manta, Ecuador
Site Administrator
Developer
Swing Trader
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Custom solution
Broker: IBKR
Trading: Stocks & Futures
Frequency: Every few days
Duration: Weeks
Posts: 50,469 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 33,246
Thanks Received: 101,669

I believe some of this has also been covered here:



Mike



Join the free Markets Chat beta: one platform, all the trade rooms!

We're here to help: just ask the community or contact our Help Desk

Quick Links: Change your Username or Register as a Vendor
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list
Lifetime Elite Membership: Sign-up for only $149 USD
Exclusive money saving offers from our Site Sponsors: Browse Offers
Report problems with the site: Using the NexusFi changelog thread
Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #6 (permalink)
 sugarhigh 
Budapest, Hungary
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: SC, MC, OEC
Broker: IQFeed
Trading: STIR
Posts: 5 since Jan 2012
Thanks Given: 2
Thanks Received: 1

Thanks Mike!

Had a look at that thread before but might have missed something. Will have a second look.

BTW: Congratulations! Great forum!

Started this thread Reply With Quote




Last Updated on February 17, 2012


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts