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Update: Stage5 cannot supply the HKFE symbols so no luck there. Plus, as I am in Hong Kong there are special conditions. Waiting to hear latest from Sierra Chart and fingers crossed I can use my IB account which will simplify things.

Thanks a lot Richard for your update. For me, I still hope to remain in the NJ+IB platform for HKFE and if Kinetick (or any other NJ usable datafeed provider) could provide the service, that will be clean and neat. I watched your IB video and since the large block info was fed from IB, could the problem due to some invalid JS settings? Have you contacted/reported to JS on the issue?

I hope SC will give you a positive reply/advice. Please share with us once you have the update. Thanks in advance!

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Don't hold your breath for Ninja to support HKFE.
Recently they even stopped the 'free' HSI historical data service and the answer I got is : due to 'extreme low demand'...
With Philip (a key asia player well positioned for HKFE trading) as one of the FCM, Ninja brokerage still won't support HKFE.. <-- Both of these points tell you a lot of their lack of interest in HKFE..

Back to SC's support for HSI data, on the surface it seems to be a cheap/viable solution, but the questions are:
1. where is the server located? For us in Asia, connecting to IB@HK (or even CQG @ HK) is really fast, but if to SC server is to cross pacific then...

2. SC chooses the 'DTC standard' with no other industry players to support it, it's a pain to get the data out to other trading platforms.

So how would one make use of SC's HSI real-time ticks if you can't get it to your own trading platform, be it Ninjatrader, or Matlab for my case?

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Don't hold your breath for Ninja to support HKFE.
Recently they even stopped the 'free' HSI historical data service and the answer I got is : due to 'extreme low demand'...
With Philip (a key asia player well positioned for HKFE trading) as one of the FCM, Ninja brokerage still won't support HKFE.. <-- Both of these points tell you a lot of their lack of interest in HKFE..

Back to SC's support for HSI data, on the surface it seems to be a cheap/viable solution, but the questions are:
1. where is the server located? For us in Asia, connecting to IB@HK (or even CQG @ HK) is really fast, but if to SC server is to cross pacific then...

2. SC chooses the 'DTC standard' with no other industry players to support it, it's a pain to get the data out to other trading platforms.

So how would one make use of SC's HSI real-time ticks if you can't get it to your own trading platform, be it Ninjatrader, or Matlab for my case?

Agree with your NT comment. My second post above did say "Been chasing NT but not holding my breath as we say." NTs support is a nightmare and I suggested they quote our support messages to keep track of conversation. Their standard reply loses our message and they invariably do a sleight of hand with not answering original queries, and/or switching topics. Most frustrating as I told them very recently.

I will have to give up on SC if I cannot get their data into Jigsaw Trading's upcoming standalone DOM. Chances of that are low and have asked Jigsaw if it is on their plan. Have only run SC once so far and a bit clunky compared to our slick but restrictive NinjaTrader.

The other option so far is using eSignal, expensive, but not sure why Sam the thread starter said it had no level 2/market depth. According to my quote from eSignal they do and I will follow up this week. I have a grandfathered NT license so can use eSignal but also need to check Jigsaw will work Ok with it. Should do if NT accepts it, but having spent (wasted) so much time looking for solutions I would not be surprised if nothing works.

The other oddity is that SC's broker listing does not have anyone NT-friendly who also supports HKFE it seems. So waiting on their announcement, as well as what they will say about HK, Macau and China traders who are affected somehow. I may well be excluded from access based on being in Hong Kong.

Very tired...

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@balance, I did once call to Philip Hong Kong office and they told me they are totally separated from the US branch. So, Philip US clients cannot login to the Philip Hong Kong system for HKFE trading. For NJ brokerage, the chance of having HKFE is zero.

@RichardHK, thanks for your update! Please keep us posted on the eSignal level II availability. For me, subscription fee is the only issue. The good thing is they offer free trials.

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@balance, I did once call to Philip Hong Kong office and they told me they are totally separated from the US branch. So, Philip US clients cannot login to the Philip Hong Kong system for HKFE trading. For NJ brokerage, the chance of having HKFE is zero. ... ...

Ref Sierra Chart HKFE trading in Hong Kong, Macau, and China!

I was given the affiliate contact info today for Hong Kong, and was dumbfounded when being told that his exclusive license for the area applies only to his trading students!! Inconceivable. So that kicks SC out of the picture 100% as far as running it in addition to my Ninja.

Here is my message back to SC support:
>>Thanks for your very quick response. Much appreciated.
Update: I have talked with your Hong Kong exclusive rep and dismayed to find that he only releases your data feed to his own trading students. This effectively limits your data feed to an insignificant number of traders in Hong Kong and is very counter-productive to your growth here. He tells me the same exclusivity applies to China and Macau. Really?
So no need now for me to activate my account and market data. Sad.
Not sure what your marketing side is thinking here. Do they not know how big the China market is?<<

As I said, inconceivable. (Ref 'inconceivable' if you have not yet seen the classic movie 'The Princess Bride', you should.)

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@RichardHK

It was indeed odd for SC to liaise with such a trading group to provide HSI futures datafeed.

You may wish to check out Mattz's post in this thread:
https://futures.io/sierra-chart/29642-sierra-chart-s-new-data-feed-6.html#post594301

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@RichardHK

It was indeed odd for SC to liaise with such a trading group to provide HSI futures datafeed.

You may wish to check out Mattz's post in this thread:
https://futures.io/sierra-chart/29642-sierra-chart-s-new-data-feed-6.html#post594301

Thanks for the mention. Yes, I was told that Sierra can now deliver HKF exchange (futures) via CQG.

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Agree with your NT comment. My second post above did say "Been chasing NT but not holding my breath as we say." NTs support is a nightmare and I suggested they quote our support messages to keep track of conversation. Their standard reply loses our message and they invariably do a sleight of hand with not answering original queries, and/or switching topics. Most frustrating as I told them very recently.


Good luck with that! NT is great until you have anything past basic issues with it.



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I will have to give up on SC if I cannot get their data into Jigsaw Trading's upcoming standalone DOM. Chances of that are low and have asked Jigsaw if it is on their plan. Have only run SC once so far and a bit clunky compared to our slick but restrictive NinjaTrader.

I haven't run Jigsaw through Sierra charts. But from everything I have seen with SC it is far and away a much better, more stable, faster platform and has the added bonus I've never seen it freeze like I've repeatedly experienced with NT. SC certainly looks and feels basic at first and things feel hard to find in the menus but after a month of use it felt a lot more intuitive then other platforms. Their support and documentation are 2nd to none and once you spend a little time digging into what can be done with the platform "Out of the Box", its pretty amazing. Give it some time to get the feel of it. I hated it at first but now I won't trade with anything else.



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The other option so far is using eSignal, expensive, but not sure why Sam the thread starter said it had no level 2/market depth. According to my quote from eSignal they do and I will follow up this week. I have a grandfathered NT license so can use eSignal but also need to check Jigsaw will work Ok with it. Should do if NT accepts it, but having spent (wasted) so much time looking for solutions I would not be surprised if nothing works.


Have you looked into using IQFeed? That's the data I ended up getting. It allows as many platform connections as needed on the same computer and has great level 2 data. I use it for all market data and then have a 2nd instance of Sierra Charts connected with broker data to execute live trades through. For my setup, IQFeed powers NT with Jigsaw DOMs and 1 instance of Sierra charts to run everything else I need, then a 2nd installation of SC running CQG to execute trades through.
Currently setting up a trading keyboard and going to use AutoHotKey to setup macros so as to execute the same orders on SC "Live" and NT "SIM" so that I get to still see the order levels on the DOM.
Its not exactly what I would like but its what would free up NT enough to run the DOM stable without constant freezing and crashing.




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The other oddity is that SC's broker listing does not have anyone NT-friendly who also supports HKFE it seems. So waiting on their announcement, as well as what they will say about HK, Macau and China traders who are affected somehow. I may well be excluded from access based on being in Hong Kong.

Very tired...



If you have a grandfathered NT license, you could possibly look at (Do your own due diligence) AMP as a broker (Only older NT licenses allow this). AMP are supported by Sierra Charts and they have CQG broker data that uses the CQG FIX Trading or CQG WebAPI. If you opt for FIX, you organize it with the broker and the broker gets something setup from memory. I've only used it with SC so not sure about other platforms.

You can't use the CQG connection on more then 1 platform at a time (CQG requirement I think) but they offer extra data credentials to login with other platforms for $10-15/mth from memory, so still cheaper then IQFeed. The upside to this is that the 2nd data connection can then be used however you want as your not tied to one desktop/1 data feed. When not in use on your main desktop, use it on a separate computer or tablet if you need to.


Not sure if that addresses your specific issue to get access to the market your after but it might give some different options to look into.

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Good luck with that! NT is great until you have anything past basic issues with it.




I haven't run Jigsaw through Sierra charts. But from everything I have seen with SC it is far and away a much better, more stable, faster platform and has the added bonus I've never seen it freeze like I've repeatedly experienced with NT. SC certainly looks and feels basic at first and things feel hard to find in the menus but after a month of use it felt a lot more intuitive then other platforms. Their support and documentation are 2nd to none and once you spend a little time digging into what can be done with the platform "Out of the Box", its pretty amazing. Give it some time to get the feel of it. I hated it at first but now I won't trade with anything else.





Have you looked into using IQFeed? That's the data I ended up getting. It allows as many platform connections as needed on the same computer and has great level 2 data. I use it for all market data and then have a 2nd instance of Sierra Charts connected with broker data to execute live trades through. For my setup, IQFeed powers NT with Jigsaw DOMs and 1 instance of Sierra charts to run everything else I need, then a 2nd installation of SC running CQG to execute trades through.
Currently setting up a trading keyboard and going to use AutoHotKey to setup macros so as to execute the same orders on SC "Live" and NT "SIM" so that I get to still see the order levels on the DOM.
Its not exactly what I would like but its what would free up NT enough to run the DOM stable without constant freezing and crashing.







If you have a grandfathered NT license, you could possibly look at (Do your own due diligence) AMP as a broker (Only older NT licenses allow this). AMP are supported by Sierra Charts and they have CQG broker data that uses the CQG FIX Trading or CQG WebAPI. If you opt for FIX, you organize it with the broker and the broker gets something setup from memory. I've only used it with SC so not sure about other platforms.

You can't use the CQG connection on more then 1 platform at a time (CQG requirement I think) but they offer extra data credentials to login with other platforms for $10-15/mth from memory, so still cheaper then IQFeed. The upside to this is that the 2nd data connection can then be used however you want as your not tied to one desktop/1 data feed. When not in use on your main desktop, use it on a separate computer or tablet if you need to.


Not sure if that addresses your specific issue to get access to the market your after but it might give some different options to look into.

Hi SilverFut

Does your IQFeed have HSI futures? Could you tell me what is the cost per month? I am trying to get the HSI futures to connect to my Amp Ninja (using CQG) which I presently have. Unfortunately Amp CQG does not have HSI

Regarding freezing of NinjaTrader platform. I have experienced that before as I was using a PC that was 6 years old. Once I upgraded to the lastest PC board in Jan 2016 that could take maximum memory of 64 gb, the freezing of NinjaTrader never happened again. So you might want to look at upgrading the PC to the lastest

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Thanks for your info.

I just signed up for Sierra but need to sort a broker out, and with Jigsaw it seems best to go with S5 although will review more.

Yes, do need level 2 with market depth and keen to see how good it is. My IB only shows 5 levels, and Kinetick 10.

Richard

Update: Stage5 cannot supply the HKFE symbols so no luck there. Plus, as I am in Hong Kong there are special conditions. Waiting to hear latest from Sierra Chart and fingers crossed I can use my IB account which will simplify things.

Apparently, not many supply HKF. However, I found that ADM will deliver it via CQG.

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