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Old July 17th, 2014, 10:47 PM   #261 (permalink)
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Ninjatrader -- I know this has been requested on your forum beofore, but please consider looking further into implementing server-side OCO support for Rithmic in your software. This should be beneficial for both customers and your brokerage by allowing for safer trades.

Doesnt rithmic already have server side OCO?

NT will have server side on its own software in future.

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Old July 17th, 2014, 11:02 PM   #262 (permalink)
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I am thinking that if you had a Ninja license prior to July 15 you can still use Dorman instead of AMP.

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Old July 18th, 2014, 10:34 AM   #263 (permalink)
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The only place you can open new NinjaTrader licenses is AMP, which we are the Broker for, or you would have to go to ninja Trader direct.* My best bet is that since we are still the broker, your point of contact, with Ninja through AMP that your services will be held at with Stage 5 should offer you much better service than anywhere else.*
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Also, we have the S5 Trade Analyzer for Ninja and then you would be able to participate in all client only services at Stage 5 as well. *

Received this morning. Asked if you already had a license if you still have a choice, awaiting that answer. But it does appear that all new ninja licenses have to go through Ninja or AMP.

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Old July 18th, 2014, 10:50 AM   #264 (permalink)
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Doesnt rithmic already have server side OCO?

NinjaTrader 7 with Rithmic - Supports client side OCO
NinjaTrader 8 with Rithmic- Will support server side OCO

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Old July 18th, 2014, 12:21 PM   #265 (permalink)
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But it does appear that all new ninja licenses have to go through Ninja or AMP.

This is an incorrect statement.

NinjaTrader users always have choice:
  • For clients who purchased a license prior to July 15th, their choice will always include all brokerage and brokerage technologies that we support.
  • For new clients who purchase after July 15th, their choice includes the brokerages listed here NinjaTrader Ecosystem | Broker Partners in addition to any broker who supports NinjaTrader through CQG technology.

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Old July 18th, 2014, 12:32 PM   #266 (permalink)
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Received this morning. Asked if you already had a license if you still have a choice, awaiting that answer. But it does appear that all new ninja licenses have to go through Ninja or AMP.

Yes, if you already had an NT license, you would be able to open your account at Stage 5 Trading as your brokerage firm and we could clear the business at any of the following clearing firms.
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Dorman
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Old July 18th, 2014, 12:34 PM   #267 (permalink)
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This is an incorrect statement.

NinjaTrader users always have choice:
  • For clients who purchased a license prior to July 15th, their choice will always include all brokerage and brokerage technologies that we support.
  • For new clients who purchase after July 15th, their choice includes the brokerages listed here NinjaTrader Ecosystem | Broker Partners in addition to any broker who supports NinjaTrader through CQG technology.

That statement is in reference to opening a new Ninja Account with Stage 5. Either you clear through AMP, or you have to choose from the new Ninja Trader ecosystem of brokers.

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Old July 18th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #268 (permalink)
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That statement is in reference to opening a new Ninja Account with Stage 5. Either you clear through AMP, or you have to choose from the new Ninja Trader ecosystem of brokers.

I think this statement is in fact correct, from what I've read so far on the Ninja Trader website. In fact their own link says it all: NinjaTrader Ecosystem | Broker Partners

These are the only brokers that are now supported for new licenses. So what happens to our tried and true faithful brokers like Optimus? Optimus has been a pioneer in adopting new trading technologies like Rithmic, before anyone else was using Rithmic. The question is, where is innovation going to come from? When one platform company takes over brokerages, and then starts limiting brokerage options, you then see the issue. It may become insular and unresponsive to customer needs.


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Old July 18th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #269 (permalink)
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Old July 18th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #270 (permalink)
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Now Ninja Trader is acting like Microsoft and building a big wall around themselves. The question is, where is innovation going to come from? When one platform gets so big that it takes over brokerages, and then starts limiting brokerage options, you then see the writing on the wall. It becomes insular and unresponsive to customer needs.

You would think the MBA students would give them better advice, as this path has been trodden many times.

I guess it is easy jump out there with those comments but what facts do you have to back that up? I am curious to read up on one example since this has been trodden many times. I really couldn't find one with a few google searches.

I am not sure I would agree that this is a bad move for Ninjatrader. There are many successful platforms that only work with one broker. Cutting back on the brokers supported could strengthen the platform. Over the years I have used a lot of different trading platforms (not specific to a certain market) and have always felt the most stable ones were proprietary to a broker.

Although it is ironic that you list Tradestation as one of your favorite platforms. I haven't looked in a while but would guess that the number of brokers they support are small. Certainly not supported by Optimus.

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