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trading and the 10yr yield

Hi all,

newbie to this forum.

I've been trading energies for several years now, but am becoming more interested in treasuries and now paying attention to them (better late than never...)

If I want to take advantage of a rising US 10 yr yield, is there an instrument for that?
or do I simply go short the note?

TIA
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If you're looking to trade bonds I can recommend 2 excellent mentors. John Grady at NoBSDayTrading and Jonathan Rose at ActiveDayTrader. Different styles and different stategies but both very good

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Hiya DD, thanks for the reply.

I will check out your recs, but meantime I was really only wanting to know if there is some instrument I am missing or if "going long" the yield is actually a case of simply shorting the note?

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Hiya DD, thanks for the reply.

I will check out your recs, but meantime I was really only wanting to know if there is some instrument I am missing or if "going long" the yield is actually a case of simply shorting the note?

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Basically yes but not as simple as that. The yield curve and bond price are inversely correlated but there's other factors to consider such as if the Fed is in play or "scared" money is coming out of the markets into the "safety" of bonds, etc.


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>> Basically yes but not as simple as that.

I can imagine it isn't, but I was really just wanting that snippet of info, so thank you for that

The yield curve and bond price are inversely correlated but there's other factors to consider such as if the Fed is in play or "scared" money is coming out of the markets into the "safety" of bonds, etc.

yep, lots of factors, just like wti and gold (and doubtless many other markets too)... can spend many hours delving into that stuff...

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The posts above provide a list of some of the risks that just "shorting the Tnote" would have. In that case I think you should look into some sort of spread between treasury futures.

If you think that interest rates are going to rise in the short term, then a Eurodollar spread would work. If you're thinking longer term (longer then 2 years say) then a spread in 2 year, 5 year, 10 year notes would work (although the further out you go, the more its just purely speculation if you ask me).

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I don't even know what a spread is... I see them quoted and referred to everywhere, but putting my cash into one is not something I'd be for doing. I' comfortable with simply buying or selling an instrument; spreads seem to be another turn of the complexity screw.
Or maybe I'm just simple? :-)
I see the 10 yr yield is rising, as I thought it might. Perhaps I'll go short a 10yr contract...

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If you're looking to trade bonds I can recommend 2 excellent mentors. John Grady at NoBSDayTrading and Jonathan Rose at ActiveDayTrader. Different styles and different stategies but both very good

Agree about John, he is the best educator Iíve found out there.

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