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with ninja brokerage it's 3.64/rt

Thanks, pardon me. So around $11.86 per round turn. How long have you been live with it?

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My broker is $2.82 per round turn, but your cost-per-contract is close. In practice it comes out on the higher side. I've been live with it for 15 months.

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My broker is $2.82 per round turn, but your cost-per-contract is close. In practice it comes out on the higher side. I've been live with it for 15 months.

That is really pretty good. I hope your success continues!

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with ninja brokerage it's 3.64/rt

hey Cory, im currently using CQG/amp/nt7.What is your opinion of the ninja brokerage ?
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I have never looked at Order flow as a means to enter trade. I realized I can observe professional activity by watching order flow and use that price levels to complement my current strategies. I wrote an application over the weekend by combining MarketDepth and Time and Sales in Tradestation, which looks like a glorified TS matrix. As of now I am using the app to see price levels where I see aggressive orders from either side, broadcast these levels to my trading charts and see if they complement a level I am looking to trade.

I am planning to study Footprint charts / orderflow and see how I can further use the info.


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hey Cory, im currently using CQG/amp/nt7.What is your opinion of the ninja brokerage ?
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my friend and his friends have been using ninja brokerage without any problem.

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In the sept 17 contracts accuracy is 81% for 2 tick profit targets. That's running 7a-930a CST, and inactive for 5m before and 5m after any major economic news, trading fewer than 16 lots. There are 3 average positions per day. Average losing trade is -2 ticks.

The profit targets are conservatively small, trying to keep my time in each trade as low as I can get away with. If/when I take 4 ticks before 9:30a, I turn it off early for the day.

Have you tested further out? I've tried similar strategies, and even some with as high a win rate. However, they get killed the last few weeks of the contract, or when the spreads change. Not to mention what the end of summer chop will do when we're only talking 2 ticks.

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Have you tested further out? I've tried similar strategies, and even some with as high a win rate. However, they get killed the last few weeks of the contract, or when the spreads change. Not to mention what the end of summer chop will do when we're only talking 2 ticks.

I've tested to 2007, but not any further back than that. Contract rollover days haven't had a noticeable effect yet, but that could be because my targets are so small, and my willingness to quit for the day after the goal is reached. Your timeframe may be longer than mine if that is a concern. The average time in a position is very low(3m is too long for me), the entry happens when the move is in progress, and the exit typically happens while the move is still in progress. That means in theory I am leaving a lot of profit on the table in the name of being conservative, but I'm just a boring conservative guy at the end of the day

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I have never looked at Order flow as a means to enter trade. I realized I can observe professional activity by watching order flow and use that price levels to complement my current strategies. I wrote an application over the weekend by combining MarketDepth and Time and Sales in Tradestation, which looks like a glorified TS matrix. As of now I am using the app to see price levels where I see aggressive orders from either side, broadcast these levels to my trading charts and see if they complement a level I am looking to trade.

I am planning to study Footprint charts / orderflow and see how I can further use the info.

I like your strategy of watching prices that attract orders. Something similar I study is the reactive orders at a price. EG... price ticks up to 152'11, and instantly 61 sell orders tick it back to '10. Then it happens again, and again, and again, while measuring the average time from tick up until the reactive sells come back. When the price ticks up, and that average time before reactive orders occur passes once, twice, three times etc - the reactive buying is done, and you can write off that side of the market for the particular price area you are at(these are small areas spanning 2-3 ticks). What application are you currently using to keep track of the activity once a price is reached?

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I salute you if you were able to successfully build an algo to trade order flow. I haven’t.

Once I had figured out what to look for and was able to profitably trade from the DOM, I tried quantifying it.
Several hundred hours later I had to realize that I could not do it. There are too many nuances to it. Is there spreading going on? Are those limit orders real? They pulled the orders, are they going to stack again? Yesterday there was a big guy sitting at 153’03, is he still there? What are correlated markets doing? Have we been trending the past couple of days or trading sideways? There is news coming out in 10 minutes, how is that affecting order flow? Who is trapped and where? Who is in control? Just to name a few questions.

I’m not saying it is not possible, but I just can’t do it. So I'm stuck relying on my puny little human brain.

to the OP, I second that. That is amazing that you have been able to empirically quantify it. I hope you run with it.

There are so many little nuances on the DOM that one can pick up after one knows what to look for, that it really is an art to it, and now that I know this, there is much more ground to over on this subject, not just on one market but on several. THe brain aint puny, we just don't know how to deliberately program to get to that advanced heuristic level, which it is capable of.

Plus, this sort of behaviour is evident on almost every liquid market, and on thin markets as well, selectively at select times of the week and around major news events.

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