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Ultra 10 Year (TN) vs 10 Year (ZN/TY)
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Ultra 10 Year (TN) vs 10 Year (ZN/TY)

 
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Ultra 10 Year (TN) vs 10 Year (ZN/TY)

@geth03, @Nedster, @Raider, @TWDsje, @Jensen, @JonathanRose, @mattz

Scrapped your names from some of the recent Bond Threads. Trying to confirm the differences between the Ultra 10 Year (TN) and the old/standard 10 Year (ZN/TY). As far as I can tell the only difference is in the bonds that you can deliver (9.5 to 10 years versus 6.5 to 10 years) is that correct?

 
 
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Difference between 10yr Futures Contract and /TN


Think of the 10yr Futures Contract (/ZN) as a 7yr bond
The /ZN is closer to a true 10yr

That's a big difference though
/ZF (5yr) - is really a 4yr
/ZB (30yr) - is really 18yr
/UB is closer to a true 30yr

does that help?

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In practical terms the difference is an orders of magnitude difference in volume and liquidity.

 
 
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Think of the 10yr Futures Contract (/ZN) as a 7yr bond
The /ZN is closer to a true 10yr

That's a big difference though
/ZF (5yr) - is really a 4yr
/ZB (30yr) - is really 18yr
/UB is closer to a true 30yr

does that help?

Thanks Jonathan, that does.


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In practical terms the difference is an orders of magnitude difference in volume and liquidity.

Could you expand? Are you saying the Ultra has a fraction of liquidity?

 
 
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Volume is basically like 100,000 transactions per month vs 1,000,0000 per month.

http://www.cmegroup.com/daily_bulletin/monthly_volume/Web_ADV_Report_CBOT.pdf

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Thank you, I'd never looked at the Ultra before but got some emails from CME about it.
Everybodies answers where very helpful.

 
 
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sorry i dont really know about the fundamental stuff, i only know how to trade


 



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