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When to trade ZB/ZN?

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Early AM

6AM EST unless you forsee an active overnight in Europe.

I actually got started trading ZN and ZB from 3AM-9AM EST.

You'll see on some days that the move in the market is over after whatever major economic report has been released. But sometimes not.

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Early AM

6AM EST unless you forsee an active overnight in Europe.

I actually got started trading ZN and ZB from 3AM-9AM EST.

You'll see on some days that the move in the market is over after whatever major economic report has been released. But sometimes not.

Agreed, like anything in trading, things move in cycles. Granted lastnight we had news from Japan, from 3-4am CST until about 8am CST, -45 ticks on ZB. From 8am until 10am ZB lucky to make 10 ticks.

Its been more than a few months, from what I'm seeing 3am is a key time to trade ZB.

I'm a scalper had to switch back to trading ES.

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Haven't seen an answer to this. But when does the cash market/pit session for the ZB close?

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Haven't seen an answer to this. But when does the cash market/pit session for the ZB close?

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This might help someone if it hasn't already been mentioned.


https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/epr/97v03n2/9707flem.pdf

Gives a nice overview and breakdown of these markets. Its using data from '94 I think but still applicable.

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Trade interest rates when there is news. You see big moves when the Fed speaks and non-farm payrolls. Also when the stock market crashes ZB/ZN usually go up.

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Trade interest rates when there is news. You see big moves when the Fed speaks and non-farm payrolls. Also when the stock market crashes ZB/ZN usually go up.

Yes but there are plenty of other opportunities to trade the treasuries on non-news days albeit things tend to be a bit slower which some may prefer. I would suggest extreme caution around FOMC and NFP as large unpredictable swings are common. I find that if you wait a little bit for things to calm down, there are some good setups to trade.

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This might help someone if it hasn't already been mentioned.


https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/epr/97v03n2/9707flem.pdf

Gives a nice overview and breakdown of these markets. Its using data from '94 I think but still applicable.

SilverFut: I really did find this article helpful; it confirmed my understanding of when best to trade. I didn't really see anything that would reliably define US mkt directional bias based on the London close, but honestly, I'm learning to trade without a bias or a predisposition -- just trade what's there, trade what I see. Otherwise I'll be trying to make the market fir my own preconceptions. And I just don't trade as much volume as that might require!

Thank you, again. If nothing else, the article helped my wife see that I really am trying to take this seriously. HUGE value in that! In fact, we should all start sending around scholarly articles to leave lying around so our wives can see them!

Best, Mindprobe

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SilverFut: I really did find this article helpful; it confirmed my understanding of when best to trade. I didn't really see anything that would reliably define US mkt directional bias based on the London close, but honestly, I'm learning to trade without a bias or a predisposition -- just trade what's there, trade what I see. Otherwise I'll be trying to make the market fir my own preconceptions. And I just don't trade as much volume as that might require!

Thank you, again. If nothing else, the article helped my wife see that I really am trying to take this seriously. HUGE value in that! In fact, we should all start sending around scholarly articles to leave lying around so our wives can see them!

Best, Mindprobe




Not a problem. Glad it was of use. I've been in the same boat with my partner on several occasions!

I'm in the same place as you in regards to getting out of the habit of predisposition. Spent 2 years trading forex and never really got anywhere but picked up bad habits. Switched over to ES Futures and chased all the great (aka Expensive) "indicators" and "systems".

Recently started using the Jigsaw DOM and finally starting to understand and see what moves the market and when. I also got the No BS beginner course and it made a lot of things finally click. (It doesn't teach anything you won't get from sitting for months in front of a DOM and watching but it got what to watch out for into my head quicker I think).

I was sort of getting somewhere trading the ES but I finally switched over to the Treasuries and it just started to pop out at me. I think the slower market fits better with my current skill level.

I've now cut back to trading from a 1 range chart with the Jigsaw DOM + T&S windows beside it. Have a VWAP plotted on the chart as a reference point with 1 set of +/- 4 tick bands plotted. Make sure to sit down and be ready to trade by 7am market time through to 11.30-12. I like to look for longs above VWAP, shorts below but I don't get tied to it. These markets like to run when they start going and its my way to try not keep getting caught the wrong side (Used to be one of my worst habits trying to pick tops and bottoms against momentum.) Other then that, I don't really worry to much what else is going on as the order flow will say exactly what's happening. I check a financial calendar to know when market moving news is coming and stand out of the way for 10-15mins until order depth returns.

No secret indicators, no special system. Just read the Jigsaw DOM.


The DOM is the single best tool I have used. Wish I had found it years ago instead of looking for a "secret indicator/system". I've made more progress in the last 3 months watching the DOM then I have in the previous 3 yrs.

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