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I thought I couldn't trade futures without a margin?

It's possible that TD Ameritrade require futures trading in a margin account, though I can trade futures in my thinkorswim (owned by TD Ameritrade) IRA, which doesn't allow and leverage/margin. You might want to check again with TDA about margin requirements for futures trading.

Or, use a different broker. TDA's commissions for futures trading are higher than many other brokers.

And I want to reiterate other's cautions about SIM, being undercapitalized, etc. But I don't want to burst your bubble so move forward but very cautiously and be careful.

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the $92,000 figure seems rather arbitrary, however, given your current situation, and your inexperience, you would need a a rather substantial amount of capital, to get started - especially if you are planning on supporting yourself and your family from your trading income. to say that the odds are stacked against you, would be a very grand understatement and if i or anyone else tells you differently, they are doing you a great disservice.

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There are a handful of futures brokers that will open an account with a minimum deposit of $500 and have intraday margins of $500 or less on certain futures contracts.

Generally it is not such a good idea to do that. There is no room for error, as mentioned in previous post, item 2.

Thank you Zondor, I have found NobleTrading.com ... I will try and find out and if there are more brokers like this. All my research on the "top" brokers led me to believe it was a 2.5k minimum. I think trading in general for most people is not a good idea for many reasons, although I seem to find myself exempt from this mode of thought. My plan is to make small non-loosing trades until my account grows, then it will just be la matter of ess and less risk with each trade

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Hi all. I've known about trading since the mid 90s, and recently the passion has caught fire. I've been studying my brains out for a quite a while now, reading books, viewing webinars, taking courses.. absorbing every piece of information I can get my hands on. I started paper trading at TDAmeritrade, which I've been doing very very well at (I treat it with utmost seriousness as if a real account). All of my testing/studying so far has been in the FX and Futures markets (although I think my techniques could be applied to ANY market), and I KNOW that I have found my calling in life. I am extremely confident in my ability and believe I have the right mindset and personality. Most of the necessary qualities I have already learned from being a professional poker player. I know I will succeed and I feel I was made to do this, I just don't have the startup capital right now. I am considering applying for a small business loan, although I'm not sure the bank wouldn't see this as anything more than a "gambling" venture even though I know it is not. It is sheer mathematics and risk/reward ratio and to me it is practically guaranteed. I am wondering what types of things I can learn to trade WITHOUT a margin account... I know I can only make 3 trades per week to avoid the pattern day trader rule, but at least I could get my account going. Anyways, my question is:

Suppose I have a $500 account, what types of markets could I be looking to trade until I get my tax refund?

I really don't want to sell my drum set to come up with the $2,500 but if that is the only option I am more than positive that I could easily make that money back very quickly to buy a new one (assuming I could trade futures). Your thoughts and suggestions much appreciated.

I would trade FOREX if I only had $500 to trade. In US it is 50:1 leverage on pairs that are traded the most and you can open an account for something stupid like $50. So, lets say you traded 10k (0.01M, mini lots) on a $500 account and made 10 pips three days a week, on most pairs that would be between 4%-6% return per week. (lots of assumptions, blah blah, etc, etc.).....you won't be a millionaire but percentage wise it is an amazing return. Other personal choices would be vegas or savings....

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Search the forums for the above organisation. There are thousands of posts on here.

I don't use them, but from what I understand is that they set you up with a SIM account and you prove to them your ability to trade and make a certain amount of money following their strict risk management rules.

If you pass, the may fund you for a real Live account where they provide the capital and you share in the winnings.

Other than some small entry fee - no capital required.

Volia, problem solved.

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It's possible that TD Ameritrade require futures trading in a margin account, though I can trade futures in my thinkorswim (owned by TD Ameritrade) IRA, which doesn't allow and leverage/margin. You might want to check again with TDA about margin requirements for futures trading.

Or, use a different broker. TDA's commissions for futures trading are higher than many other brokers.

And I want to reiterate other's cautions about SIM, being undercapitalized, etc. But I don't want to burst your bubble so move forward but very cautiously and be careful.

I have been treating my sim account as if it only has 1k in it. I heard that TDA *used* to allow people to trade within IRA's and still allow the old timers to do so, but not anyone new. And thank you for your advice I am not sure if any type of scaled down futures contract would/could have as low as fifty cents per tick I wouldn't want to loose more than $2 dollars on any one trade, that is why I was trying to find other markets. I was trading wheat or corn or coco it was only $5 per tick, but after TDA's commisions I'm not sure how that would pan out in real life

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I would trade FOREX if I only had $500 to trade. In US it is 50:1 leverage on pairs that are traded the most and you can open an account for something stupid like $50. So, lets say you traded 10k (0.01M, mini lots) on a $500 account and made 10 pips three days a week, on most pairs that would be between 4%-6% return per week. (lots of assumptions, blah blah, etc, etc.).....you won't be a millionaire but percentage wise it is an amazing return. Other personal choices would be vegas or savings....

Yes, I would only need 3 wining trades a day and I agree the return is amazing for only a few pips

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Search the forums for the above organisation. There are thousands of posts on here.

I don't use them, but from what I understand is that they set you up with a SIM account and you prove to them your ability to trade and make a certain amount of money following their strict risk management rules.

If you pass, the may fund you for a real Live account where they provide the capital and you share in the winnings.

Other than some small entry fee - no capital required.

Volia, problem solved.

This could be my golden ticket !! ?? Thank you I will try and get that started.

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Search the forums for the above organisation. There are thousands of posts on here.

I don't use them, but from what I understand is that they set you up with a SIM account and you prove to them your ability to trade and make a certain amount of money following their strict risk management rules.

If you pass, the may fund you for a real Live account where they provide the capital and you share in the winnings.

Other than some small entry fee - no capital required.

Volia, problem solved.

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Great Idea Steve !

in the tag's i am seeing "girlfriend" "love" "life" 'baby" "no money" "margin" and it's starting to make me a little dizzy just thinking about it all ...

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With 500 bucks and a dream, I would recommend an elite membership to futures.io (formerly BMT). The return for dollars spent may make it your greatest trade. Also, I recommend watching Mike's "Where to start as a trader" webinar, and then once you feel ready to go maybe a TST combine in conjunction with a journal. Don't bog yourself down reading trading books or endlessly sim trading, it will not be helpful to you.

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