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Many thanks CTNZ for the postings.


I am a rookie, but caught most of it. Or think I did.

I really have to put some time into the back fill what I didn't catch of what you wrote, as it seems to jive with what I brought to the table a few months ago.


Again, thank you. I might have to stalk your other threads.


PS: basic, assembler, php, coldfusion, others I have forgotten.

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Many thanks CTNZ for the postings.

PS: basic, assembler, php, coldfusion, others I have forgotten.

coldfusion? I haven't heard that name in years. What platform?

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coldfusion? I haven't heard that name in years. What platform?

I am not sure what you mean by platform? It was a one term course in tech school, on PC (of course). The teacher wanted us to learn "programming" versus "a language". Php is my thing now.

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Thanks for the post, very informative.


N0vocane

It helps a bit if you are a conspiracy theorist or doubting Thomas and has worked well for me. Trading is all I do and how I put food on my table and pay the rent.

I don't think you can lose by questioning anything and everything said in trading - prove it for yourself.

It will take work but you will end up with a solid foundation. Tons of traders want to buy something ready made and not do the hard yards. Heaps of Snake Oil salesman around willing to sell you stuff but the good stuff is never for sale. If it's so good why are they selling it or can't they a make living off what they are trying to sell. Simply apply Occam's razor and should give you the answer.

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2+ year follow up since my last post on this thread.

Anyone still here who read my original post? Curious how many survivors it helped?

For me i am still at it and doing the same stuff. Nothing has really changed as I am a vampire. I am a vampire because I trade in the middle of my night which is the day in the USA. I still think the same and still freight train it.

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2+ year follow up since my last post on this thread.

Anyone still here who read my original post? Curious how many survivors it helped?

For me i am still at it and doing the same stuff. Nothing has really changed as I am a vampire. I am a vampire because I trade in the middle of my night which is the day in the USA. I still think the same and still freight train it.

I've just read through this thread and found it informative. The stop run discussion you had was interesting. I normally look at price action and ask how 'they' would get large orders into the market without alerting anyone else. And vice versa, what would price action look like if 'they' were unwinding massive positions.

i agree with everything you say about emotions. It was my biggest hurdle and still something I deal with daily. If I don't stay on top of meditation and breathing exercises healthy eating etc.. I start a slow slide into a dark place.
Good thread thanks for sharing your thoughts.

What do you trade btw?

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Thanks for the thread bump @ctnz, there's some really great stuff here that rings true with where I'm at with trading at this point in time... such as...


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You always need to see both sides of the market not just a long or a short but either, be neutral. If you think just one way you will get blind sided as you won't see the torpedo coming from the other direction at you until it hits, then it is too late as you are sunk. If you think long that is all you will let yourself see. If you look at both directions all the time you are always ready to go the other way or at least take a draw down.

You shouldn't see long or short but opportunity. But your analytics you are basing your decisions on needs to be solid. None of this namby pamby indicator stuff but reading price action alone and understanding what it is telling you.

Any tips for developing this skill further? I have struggled with the hot stove of directional bias many times, and many times got burnt in the process which in and of itself has definitely helped. There are still moments where my objectivity is clouded, much to the detriment of my paltry account


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Lets start with some basics. A stop or profit target is the opposite side of what you did to get into the trade. So if you bought/went long you have to sell/go short to get out vice versa if you sold/went short you have to buy to get out. So the other side of your profit target or stop is the same of what you did to get in to the other side of that trade. A Short stop to you is a buy to the other side. You need to fully understand the other side of your trade. You need to get this very clear in your mind.

So if you go long you are basically putting a buy order at a better price farther down. The big boys can get Level III (the order book) which tells you every stop in an instrument. So they can see your stop and everybody else's stop as well. I call it food. When there is enough food they go for it every time. Almost all traders are taught the same thing "put your stop behind a pivot". So a lot of traders put their stop at the very same place. "They" herd traders like cattle."They" paint price action to get you to do exactly what they want. "They" do it every day, all day long. The only way "they"make money is if you lose money.

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The price action moves to get you and others to do the wrong thing. When enough traders have fallen for a false move they go after the food. They can see the food(your stop), you can't but "they" can. For proof you can see a stop run after the fact in the volume.

Great stuff, really helps put this subject in perspective. Some people might call a stop run a "false breakout" in a range, I think it is MMs snatching up all the remaining liquidity pooled just outside of the boundaries and this can be seen this with high volume.


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Ever gone long when price is falling like a rock? Or gone short after a new high is made. It is hard to pull the trigger. They call it freight train trading because you normally get freight trained or run over. So the best or most profitable trade might have been at the low or high but most people will wait for confirmation or the turn. I will go short at the turn or yes sometimes before it turns but most traders will wait, often waiting for some indicator to tell them to pull the trigger which has more lag than a millennium clock. I am not counter trend trading I just have some pretty good analytic's I created for myself which fit who I am.

Sounds like there is some similarity in our trading styles I'm still working out the semantics/finer points (refer to the later entries in my journal if you care to,) and always trying to find ways to improve my read of what the bigger players are trying to accomplish on all timeframes. If you decided to expound on any of these subjects, you'd have at least one captive audience member Thanks again.

PS: Just checked out Schull's book, looks like a very interesting read.

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Rrrracer

Like your location name. In my prior life before trading I put some time in Springfield, Oh just up the road at a hospital.

Denise's book is a solid investment in yourself for not much money. You will learn stuff about yourself you never knew including things outside of trading.

Look at price action and try to see the psychology at work. Where does the "food" run out. Never chase but let price come to you or where you decided is a good point for an entry. Look at different markets, there might be one you can read better than others. Also look for periods of really low volume, because there is no tall grass for them to hide in. You don't have to actually trade it just learn from it and see if you can apply what you learned on that market to another market. I have spent many man years not just hours looking at charts before I finally "got it". Look at a chart and ask yourself what told me in price action that it might stop there. If you want to know what it is going to do right of the chart then look left. It is right on the chart in plain view. Most people won't invest anywhere near as much time as me to figure it out. The time required is different for each person. Good traders trade less not more. It is all about consistency. Also put yourself in their place, if you are a billion dollar hedge fund how would you do it.

Hope that helps...
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What do you trade btw?

I day trade only futures not stocks or options. I never carry over night. i have traded everything from energies, grains, equities, interest rates (bonds), metals, and currencies. I have traded foreign markets including the hang seng, dax, and french cac. I look for markets I can read. If I can't read it I can't trade it.

One market I like is the EMD (equity mid caps). It has thin volume but is $10 a tick. Good volatility but can cut you to absolute shreds if you aren't up to the play. I also like the RTY (e-russell). Both you can only trade in the RTH (Regular Trading Hours) session as they go into a coma in the ETH (Extended Trading Hours) session or globex.

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Denise's book is a solid investment in yourself for not much money. You will learn stuff about yourself you never knew including things outside of trading.

I got the book and can't put it down!


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Logically, if you have a probability that you know will only apply for a limited period of time , and by definition that probability tells you that you have a significant chance of being wrong, even while it still applies, how much do you really know?

How good is that!

I'll definitely be reading this book more than once. Thanks for recommending it.

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