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300ms is about the norm from Asia.

Latency is overblown as an issue IMO.

You get 30ms, I get 300ms - a third of a second... it's not going to make a lot of difference really.

I occasionally trade from LA with low latency but you can't tell the difference.

In terms of cost - to get that latency down to 50ms from Bangkok, you need to bypass all the hops on the way to Chicago. It doesn't matter what sort of line you get to your ISP 'cause the latency isn't there anyway.

I know one guy that did that - but he was trading over US$30M. He was paying US$18k a month for the network.


The direct distance from Bangkok to Chicago is 13.750 km. For trading you need to consider both the transmission of trade data and order routing, you will therefore need to take into account a roundtrip latency based on 27.500 km.

A signal that travels through a fiber optical cable cannot travel at a higher speed than about 60% of the speed of light, which would be 180.000 km/s. Your best - theoretical obtainable - round trip latency can therefore by calculated as 153 ms. Note that this is only a theoretical value, which can not be obtained with real equipment.

If you use satellites latency will be about 500 ms, as a geostationary satellite has a distance of about 36,000 km from earth.

Conclusion: You cannot bring down the latency from Bangkok to Chicago to 50 ms, at least not in this universe.

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Conclusion: You cannot bring down the latency from Bangkok to Chicago to 50 ms, at least not in this universe.

LOL! Well - I'm not going to be the one to break it to him!

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The direct distance from Bangkok to Chicago is 13.750 km. For trading you need to consider both the transmission of trade data and order routing, you will therefore need to take into account a roundtrip latency based on 27.500 km.

A signal that travels through a fiber optical cable cannot travel at a higher speed than about 60% of the speed of light, which would be 180.000 km/s. Your best - theoretical obtainable - round trip latency can therefore by calculated as 153 ms. Note that this is only a theoretical value, which can not be obtained with real equipment.

If you use satellites latency will be about 500 ms, as a geostationary satellite has a distance of about 36,000 km from earth.

Conclusion: You cannot bring down the latency from Bangkok to Chicago to 50 ms, at least not in this universe.

Fat Tails,
You are absolutely right. Best ping test from Singapore to Chicago is around 280 to 320 ms with direct cable and fibre optics respectively at 100 mbps broadband speed.
The delay in data feed can be as high as 1 min with PFG connection
TW

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hey u dont really need '100mbps', anywhere on this region with reasonable connection is about 250-350ms.
the only 'real' problem is the quality of the connection, if you have too many lost packets, it'll have real big impact even the delay number is small


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Fat Tails,
You are absolutely right. Best ping test from Singapore to Chicago is around 280 to 320 ms with direct cable and fibre optics respectively at 100 mbps broadband speed.
The delay in data feed can be as high as 1 min with PFG connection
TW


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Fat Tails,
You are absolutely right. Best ping test from Singapore to Chicago is around 280 to 320 ms with direct cable and fibre optics respectively at 100 mbps broadband speed.
The delay in data feed can be as high as 1 min with PFG connection
TW

What do you mean by "direct cable/fibre optics" ?

It's only direct to your ISP right? It then hops all over the place to Chicago...

You can get a more direct route but that costs a fortune.

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Cool, we really should arrange for a meet up.
Let me know if you're in the neighbourhood

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What do you mean by "direct cable/fibre optics" ?

It's only direct to your ISP right? It then hops all over the place to Chicago...

You can get a more direct route but that costs a fortune.

I mean plain wire cable connection other than Fibre Optics.

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Cool, we really should arrange for a meet up.
Let me know if you're in the neighbourhood

Call me on my mobile 91453928 for a drink.

TW

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I mean plain wire cable connection other than Fibre Optics.


Gotcha

It's largely irrelevant what you have locally (your house/office -> your ISP) as that's not where the delay is.

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If latency is important, you aren't trading from Singapore. The end.

You may live in Singapore, but your trading server is next to the matching engine in Chicago.

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