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Monte Carlo and Position sizing

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I have troubles understanding Monte Carlo simulation value in the context of a position sized list of backtested trades but maybe my understanding is wrong.

On a single contract sequence list of trades with no position sizing, I can see how Monte Carlo shuffling of the trades helps determine system boundaries (max loss / wins etc etc...).

But on a position sized sample of trades how can this be accurate at all?
Let's say first trade of a position sized sequence is 1 contract with $10 gain, and last trade 100 contract with $1000 loss.

If Monte Carlo, as practiced by most plateforms shuffles trades and happens to put last trade of $1000 first it will creates an unrealistic, huge drawdown on that simulated sequence (because $1000 loss is based on 100 contracts which never happen at start of a backtest sequence).

Am I missing something? How to deal with this?

I am not a math guy at all but I have learnt enough to put it to practical use so I will answer from that point of view - not from a strict math point of view.

Also want to point out that I do not use a commercial platform, I built my own. I have used commercial platforms but that was a few years ago so I cannot relate much to any platform specific things you refer to.

My understanding is that the purpose of applying monte carlo simulation to your backtest results is to make your backtest more realistic by random shuffling, exclusions and doubling. It tries to mimic your sick days, when you could not trade or days when you make a mistake and buy 10 instead of 1 etc etc.

From that point of view, even with a backtest that does not have a consistent trade size, it can be considered to do what it is supposed to do - make the backtest more realistic.

Also, I have kept position sizing a separate calculation. Not part of the backtest. Backtest only tests the legitimacy of a strategy. Various factors such as volatility, liquidity (time of day) etc determine position size. And especially if you are trading a basket of securities.

I dont know if this helps, but thats all I got.

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